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> I don't know what the difference is, but I can second GP's statement that the experience you and GGP had isn't universal. How frequent should that problem be

by rualca 6y ago

> I don't know what the difference is, but I can second GP's statement that the experience you and GGP had isn't universal. How frequent should that problem be until it's recognized as a problem? From where I'm standing, civil asset forfeiture sounds like blatant corruption and outright stealing made good on paper.

leereeves 6y ago
I completely agree; many of these cases are unjust, there are undoubtedly many cases of corruption, and the law should be changed. I only take issue with the suggestion in this thread that we should be afraid to travel around the nation because of these rare events. There's far more reason to be afraid of dying in a crash.
- shakezula 6y ago
  I’m not saying you should be afraid of traveling the U.S. I’m saying I’ve traveled the U.S. a /lot/ in several different capacities (from personal trips to touring with bands) and that rural areas by and large have given me more problems in terms of police than urban areas ever have. I’m not implying that you should be afraid to travel - I’m saying quite plainly that the incentives around CAF are severely misaligned and that cops are very aware of this fact and abuse it when they can, and that takes different forms but one of those is mundane traffic stops that turn into roadside interrogations.
  - NeutronStar 6y ago
    > I’m saying I’ve traveled the U.S. a /lot/ in several different capacities (from personal trips to touring with bands) and that rural areas by and large have given me more problems in terms of police than urban areas ever have. How much time do you spend traveling in rural vs urban area do you think? If you traveled 75% of the time in rural areas it would follow suit that 75% of the time those arrests would be in rural areas. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean shit in a country with 330M people.

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> I don't know what the difference is, but I can second GP's statement that the experience you and GGP had isn't universal. How frequent should that problem be

by rualca 6y ago

leereeves 6y ago
I completely agree; many of these cases are unjust, there are undoubtedly many cases of corruption, and the law should be changed. I only take issue with the suggestion in this thread that we should be afraid to travel around the nation because of these rare events. There's far more reason to be afraid of dying in a crash.
- shakezula 6y ago
  I’m not saying you should be afraid of traveling the U.S. I’m saying I’ve traveled the U.S. a /lot/ in several different capacities (from personal trips to touring with bands) and that rural areas by and large have given me more problems in terms of police than urban areas ever have. I’m not implying that you should be afraid to travel - I’m saying quite plainly that the incentives around CAF are severely misaligned and that cops are very aware of this fact and abuse it when they can, and that takes different forms but one of those is mundane traffic stops that turn into roadside interrogations.
  - NeutronStar 6y ago
    > I’m saying I’ve traveled the U.S. a /lot/ in several different capacities (from personal trips to touring with bands) and that rural areas by and large have given me more problems in terms of police than urban areas ever have. How much time do you spend traveling in rural vs urban area do you think? If you traveled 75% of the time in rural areas it would follow suit that 75% of the time those arrests would be in rural areas. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean shit in a country with 330M people.