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> (ie, forced-detransing someone) Why assume that this is the kind of application that would be used? Do you really think it's so uncommon that someone might h

> (ie, forced-detransing someone) Why assume that this is the kind of application that would be used? Do you really think it's so uncommon that someone might have the seeds of these feelings and really rather that they just go away? If it's something that can be handled therapeutically and allow the person to live in the skin they were born in without dysphoria, doesn't that seem like something an awful lot of people would probably consider, especially if it's not invasive?

orthecreedence 6y ago
> Why assume that this is the kind of application that would be used? I guess because trans people are treated like lepers and because conversion therapy used to be a pretty common thing. > Do you really think it's so uncommon that someone might have the seeds of these feelings and really rather that they just go away? No, I don't think it's uncommon. Which is why I engaged your post instead of downvoting and moving on. > If it's something that can be handled therapeutically and allow the person to live in the skin they were born in without dysphoria, doesn't that seem like something an awful lot of people would probably consider, especially if it's not invasive? And, we're back to conversion therapy. I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I think my reservations don't come from the therapy itself, but rather the circumstances under which it's recommended or administered. For instance, is it better to take HRT and be closer to the person you feel by default? Or is it better to take b-yr-c15-53lf trans-blockers to get back to living your happy norm life? Is it being pushed by a therapist? Am I discovering it myself? It brings up a lot of questions about vulnerability, self, identity, etc.
- core-questions 6y ago
  > trans people are treated like lepers Says you; here in Canada at least transpeople are a protected class and have as many or more rights than the next person. This is not the same thing at all as conversion therapy, and it is unreasonable to suggest that there should not be research and development into techniques, therapeutics, and methods to help people who would rather not actually be trans. This is not mutually exclusive with allowing people to be trans, or granting them protected class status! It's merely another option, and in no way is it implied that it should be forced on anyone. In fact, "conversion therapy", as long as it is 100% consensual on the part of the person taking it, should be fine. Why shouldn't it? Because it won't work? Homeopathy and plenty of other things that "won't work" are legal. It's the lack of consent that is the moral issue, not the fact that someone might want assistance at living a simpler life, which being cisgendered no doubt is, at least at this time. > For instance, is it better to take HRT and be closer to the person you feel by default? This really depends on the outcome that you're after, but the higher-after-HRT-and-operations suicide rate of transpeople makes me wonder whether it's actually the better outcome or not. Since this is 100% contextual and differs widely by individual, the only correct standpoint in a free society is to allow both options. > Is it being pushed by a therapist? Some therapists are going to be gatekeepers, some are going to push you towards HRT, it's luck of the draw at this point based on the personal biases and ethics of the therapist. The fact is, we're supposed to be recognizing and validating people's feelings; and it's entirely believable that there is a class of people who feel gender dysphoria and simply want it to go away. These people are underserved by the current system.

orthecreedence 6y ago

> Why assume that this is the kind of application that would be used? I guess because trans people are treated like lepers and because conversion therapy used to be a pretty common thing. > Do you really think it's so uncommon that someone might have the seeds of these feelings and really rather that they just go away? No, I don't think it's uncommon. Which is why I engaged your post instead of downvoting and moving on. > If it's something that can be handled therapeutically and allow the person to live in the skin they were born in without dysphoria, doesn't that seem like something an awful lot of people would probably consider, especially if it's not invasive? And, we're back to conversion therapy. I don't necessarily disagree with you here. I think my reservations don't come from the therapy itself, but rather the circumstances under which it's recommended or administered. For instance, is it better to take HRT and be closer to the person you feel by default? Or is it better to take b-yr-c15-53lf trans-blockers to get back to living your happy norm life? Is it being pushed by a therapist? Am I discovering it myself? It brings up a lot of questions about vulnerability, self, identity, etc.

core-questions 6y ago
> trans people are treated like lepers Says you; here in Canada at least transpeople are a protected class and have as many or more rights than the next person. This is not the same thing at all as conversion therapy, and it is unreasonable to suggest that there should not be research and development into techniques, therapeutics, and methods to help people who would rather not actually be trans. This is not mutually exclusive with allowing people to be trans, or granting them protected class status! It's merely another option, and in no way is it implied that it should be forced on anyone. In fact, "conversion therapy", as long as it is 100% consensual on the part of the person taking it, should be fine. Why shouldn't it? Because it won't work? Homeopathy and plenty of other things that "won't work" are legal. It's the lack of consent that is the moral issue, not the fact that someone might want assistance at living a simpler life, which being cisgendered no doubt is, at least at this time. > For instance, is it better to take HRT and be closer to the person you feel by default? This really depends on the outcome that you're after, but the higher-after-HRT-and-operations suicide rate of transpeople makes me wonder whether it's actually the better outcome or not. Since this is 100% contextual and differs widely by individual, the only correct standpoint in a free society is to allow both options. > Is it being pushed by a therapist? Some therapists are going to be gatekeepers, some are going to push you towards HRT, it's luck of the draw at this point based on the personal biases and ethics of the therapist. The fact is, we're supposed to be recognizing and validating people's feelings; and it's entirely believable that there is a class of people who feel gender dysphoria and simply want it to go away. These people are underserved by the current system.