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Uninstall it from your phone? Turn off notifications? Make a work profile on your android and get off it once your shift ends? I use Slack daily and I've never

Uninstall it from your phone? Turn off notifications? Make a work profile on your android and get off it once your shift ends? I use Slack daily and I've never brought it home with me.

atarian 6y ago
Pretty much this. If you don't set boundaries, your job will set yours.
- tonymet 6y ago
  Boundaries are set by the group culture. If your peers are always available, and you are not, you are the odd one out.
davidw 6y ago
Yep. I'm happy to give out my phone number to people at work in case of emergencies, but I do not want work notifications at random hours of the day when I'm not working.
mariodiana 6y ago
Slack has a feature to turn off notifications outside of working hours (or whatever hours you choose). That's what I use.
runarberg 6y ago
Not saying you’re wrong, but it shouldn’t be up to the victim to prevent being abused for labor. A workplace that allows a tool to pervade into their worker’s personal life is not doing a good job protecting their workers, and are complacent in the abuse.
- corytheboyd 6y ago
  Is this actually happening though? You are claiming that companies are using Slack to creep into the personal lives of employees? Where is that even coming from? I’ve never had an employer force me to be always online, Slack or otherwise. Not counting on-call duty of course, but that’s completely different.
  - runarberg 6y ago
    > You are claiming that companies are using Slack to creep into the personal lives of employees No I’m not. The workplace might be completely in the blue about this, but if a workplace uses a tool that offers convince in installing this tool to your personal devises (or off hour workstation usage): a) Make it absolutely clear that this is not expected b) Provide instructions for workers on how turn the tool off during non-work hours c) Reprimand users that bother workers with this tool during non-work hours Anything short of that is complacency in labor abuse. The problem slack (and tools like it) offers is that there will be a point where installing and enabling it on personal devises or out side of work hours will be convenient, be it off site on a convention or when finishing up a tight deadline. After that time workers will probably not remove it from the devise (the power of defaults), and that opens up avenues for complacency in abuse. At no point does the workplace need to make a conscious choice of malice, however harm will happen if the tool is used without disclaimers.
- Raphmedia 6y ago
  > but it shouldn’t be up to the victim to prevent being abused for labor This depends on the situation. A workplace that enforce after hours always-on presence? Absolutely despicable. Should even be illegal, in my opinion. An employee who decides on their own to install Slack on their personal device and then decide on their own to open it outside work hours? That's on them.
- FalconSensei 6y ago
  If you don't have you work computer at home, you will not see Slack at home. If you install a work app on your personal phone, that's not Slack's fault. The same pressure to check Slack on your personal phone on your off-time would be applied to work email, sms, or whatever it's used instead of slack
  - runarberg 6y ago
    There is a slight difference. Slack is used by workers for personal social interactions as well. For many workers Slack is as much a social media tool as it is a work tool. Many workers actually prefer to have slack open during off work hours to share memes with their work buddies. Even for workers that don’t engage in social activities over slack normally might install it to their personal devices during a conference because that is where their colleagues are conversing, and then simply forget to uninstall it after the conference is done. A workplace has to be aware that this is how normal people use this tool, and needs to make sure that no one misuses this access to workers during off hours.
corytheboyd 6y ago
This is the voice of reason. I feel like a lot of this negative sentiment is made against some dystopic fantasy evil corp that isn’t actually real. Companies will look after themselves, but so can you. Both are completely reasonable.

Uninstall it from your phone? Turn off notifications? Make a work profile on your android and get off it once your shift ends? I use Slack daily and I've never brought it home with me.

atarian 6y ago

Pretty much this. If you don't set boundaries, your job will set yours.

tonymet 6y ago
Boundaries are set by the group culture. If your peers are always available, and you are not, you are the odd one out.

davidw 6y ago

Yep. I'm happy to give out my phone number to people at work in case of emergencies, but I do not want work notifications at random hours of the day when I'm not working.

mariodiana 6y ago

Slack has a feature to turn off notifications outside of working hours (or whatever hours you choose). That's what I use.

runarberg 6y ago

Not saying you’re wrong, but it shouldn’t be up to the victim to prevent being abused for labor. A workplace that allows a tool to pervade into their worker’s personal life is not doing a good job protecting their workers, and are complacent in the abuse.

corytheboyd 6y ago
Is this actually happening though? You are claiming that companies are using Slack to creep into the personal lives of employees? Where is that even coming from? I’ve never had an employer force me to be always online, Slack or otherwise. Not counting on-call duty of course, but that’s completely different.
- runarberg 6y ago
  > You are claiming that companies are using Slack to creep into the personal lives of employees No I’m not. The workplace might be completely in the blue about this, but if a workplace uses a tool that offers convince in installing this tool to your personal devises (or off hour workstation usage): a) Make it absolutely clear that this is not expected b) Provide instructions for workers on how turn the tool off during non-work hours c) Reprimand users that bother workers with this tool during non-work hours Anything short of that is complacency in labor abuse. The problem slack (and tools like it) offers is that there will be a point where installing and enabling it on personal devises or out side of work hours will be convenient, be it off site on a convention or when finishing up a tight deadline. After that time workers will probably not remove it from the devise (the power of defaults), and that opens up avenues for complacency in abuse. At no point does the workplace need to make a conscious choice of malice, however harm will happen if the tool is used without disclaimers.
Raphmedia 6y ago
> but it shouldn’t be up to the victim to prevent being abused for labor This depends on the situation. A workplace that enforce after hours always-on presence? Absolutely despicable. Should even be illegal, in my opinion. An employee who decides on their own to install Slack on their personal device and then decide on their own to open it outside work hours? That's on them.
FalconSensei 6y ago
If you don't have you work computer at home, you will not see Slack at home. If you install a work app on your personal phone, that's not Slack's fault. The same pressure to check Slack on your personal phone on your off-time would be applied to work email, sms, or whatever it's used instead of slack
- runarberg 6y ago
  There is a slight difference. Slack is used by workers for personal social interactions as well. For many workers Slack is as much a social media tool as it is a work tool. Many workers actually prefer to have slack open during off work hours to share memes with their work buddies. Even for workers that don’t engage in social activities over slack normally might install it to their personal devices during a conference because that is where their colleagues are conversing, and then simply forget to uninstall it after the conference is done. A workplace has to be aware that this is how normal people use this tool, and needs to make sure that no one misuses this access to workers during off hours.

corytheboyd 6y ago

This is the voice of reason. I feel like a lot of this negative sentiment is made against some dystopic fantasy evil corp that isn’t actually real. Companies will look after themselves, but so can you. Both are completely reasonable.