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Their 'AI algos' allow videos to be repeatedly reposted after being deleted, as detailed in the NYTs article.

by bigbubba 6y ago

PunchTornado 6y ago
yep, the same with google and facebook.
- bigbubba 6y ago
  I'd say google/youtube is much better at detecting known content actually, though they have a notoriously high false positive rate. Pornhub has a notoriously high false negative rate.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    In my mind the question is whether all of the relevant sites are making reasonable efforts in getting rid of illegal material. "Reasonable" here is probably best determined by courts, and I would dismiss any comparisons between sites abilities. If Google, a world leader in AI technology, has a better filter that doesn't mean anyone else's efforts are unacceptable.
    - bigbubba 6y ago
      The question I have is whether such systems ever truly existed at pornhub. They're obviously shady as hell and I wouldn't put it past them to straight out lie. Google's systems are known to exist because they have a high false positive rate. How do we know pornhub gave a single shit about any of this before the NYTimes oped?
      - Consultant32452 6y ago
        I agree, that is a very good question. I would also suggest that we should not take for granted the word of a media organization who wishes to get clicks or even a prosecutor who wants to villainize their target for political points.
- DougN7 6y ago
  So what is your point? Two wrongs don’t make a right.
  - PunchTornado 6y ago
    you shouldn't arbitrarily target only some companies. my point is that facebook/google are the worst when it comes to revenge porn as it's easier to destroy someones' life there. But for some reason, instead of focusing on facebook, they focus on pornhub because it is an easy target and easy to say we've done something.
    - bigbubba 6y ago
      This notion that anybody criticizing one company must simultaneous criticize all companies is the worst sort of HN cancer. Facebook is getting criticized? But what about Twitter?!? Twitter? But what about Apple?!? Apple? But what about Google?!? Google? But what about Amazon?!? Amazon? But what about Facebook?!? Just stop. This is horse shit.

Their 'AI algos' allow videos to be repeatedly reposted after being deleted, as detailed in the NYTs article.

PunchTornado 6y ago

yep, the same with google and facebook.

bigbubba 6y ago
I'd say google/youtube is much better at detecting known content actually, though they have a notoriously high false positive rate. Pornhub has a notoriously high false negative rate.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  In my mind the question is whether all of the relevant sites are making reasonable efforts in getting rid of illegal material. "Reasonable" here is probably best determined by courts, and I would dismiss any comparisons between sites abilities. If Google, a world leader in AI technology, has a better filter that doesn't mean anyone else's efforts are unacceptable.
  - bigbubba 6y ago
    The question I have is whether such systems ever truly existed at pornhub. They're obviously shady as hell and I wouldn't put it past them to straight out lie. Google's systems are known to exist because they have a high false positive rate. How do we know pornhub gave a single shit about any of this before the NYTimes oped?
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      I agree, that is a very good question. I would also suggest that we should not take for granted the word of a media organization who wishes to get clicks or even a prosecutor who wants to villainize their target for political points.
DougN7 6y ago
So what is your point? Two wrongs don’t make a right.
- PunchTornado 6y ago
  you shouldn't arbitrarily target only some companies. my point is that facebook/google are the worst when it comes to revenge porn as it's easier to destroy someones' life there. But for some reason, instead of focusing on facebook, they focus on pornhub because it is an easy target and easy to say we've done something.
  - bigbubba 6y ago
    This notion that anybody criticizing one company must simultaneous criticize all companies is the worst sort of HN cancer. Facebook is getting criticized? But what about Twitter?!? Twitter? But what about Apple?!? Apple? But what about Google?!? Google? But what about Amazon?!? Amazon? But what about Facebook?!? Just stop. This is horse shit.