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That statement is also false. I have a Nest thermostat. It works fine without the network. I have a modern car. It works fine without the internet. Several of

That statement is also false. I have a Nest thermostat. It works fine without the network. I have a modern car. It works fine without the internet. Several of my friends have Teslas. They work fine offgrid. It's just nonsense. Stop defending it.

falcolas 6y ago
Wasn't there recently a story of a Lamborghini which wouldn't start because it didn't have a cell signal (it was in an underground garage)? Some sensor had been tripped, which made the car require network validation before it would start back up. And don't Nest thermostats occasionally have an issue where they default back to somewhere in the 60° range due to a server connectivity issue? https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/20510237?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/20510237?hl=en Doesn't seem like nonsense. Other fun internet connected car reads: https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/woman-locked-inside-her-bmw-am-i-gonna-die https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/wo... https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/306338-phone-app-rental-car-stranded-california-boondocks https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/306338-phone-app-rental-...
- Broken_Hippo 6y ago
  Old thermostats died from time to time, even when they weren't very old. Same with cars. They just had different problems than the modern ones.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    Absolutely! But their failure cases weren't due to the inability to access a network or a server. This is whole new set of failure cases which exists over the top of the old ones.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Was a Ferrari: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j914fh/dude_comes_straight_from_the_dealership_for_a/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j914...
  - SilasX 6y ago
    HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24754662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24754662
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- stickfigure 6y ago
  As noted in the HN thread, the Ferrari was disabled due to an anti-theft device and couldn't be unlocked remotely due to connectivity. Lack of connectivity is not responsible for the car being disabled; an attempted "theft" (from the device's perspective) was, and a stuck car is exactly what the owner asked for. Even if there have been a few historical software bugs that caused some Nests to change temperature, it did not "become completely unresponsive in the middle of winter". Worst case is you walk up to the device and turn the temperature back up. Also, there's nothing in that bug report that suggests it has anything to do with internet connectivity. A quick google search shows plenty of people getting locked in non-internet-connected cars. The modern world is complex. Even before I replaced my thermostat with a Nest, my furnace was already way more fragile than my fireplace.
mcguire 6y ago
Anybody remember Iris?

falcolas 6y ago

Wasn't there recently a story of a Lamborghini which wouldn't start because it didn't have a cell signal (it was in an underground garage)? Some sensor had been tripped, which made the car require network validation before it would start back up. And don't Nest thermostats occasionally have an issue where they default back to somewhere in the 60° range due to a server connectivity issue? https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/20510237?hl=en https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/20510237?hl=en Doesn't seem like nonsense. Other fun internet connected car reads: https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/woman-locked-inside-her-bmw-am-i-gonna-die https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/wo... https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/306338-phone-app-rental-car-stranded-california-boondocks https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/306338-phone-app-rental-...

Broken_Hippo 6y ago
Old thermostats died from time to time, even when they weren't very old. Same with cars. They just had different problems than the modern ones.
- falcolas 6y ago
  Absolutely! But their failure cases weren't due to the inability to access a network or a server. This is whole new set of failure cases which exists over the top of the old ones.
sokoloff 6y ago
Was a Ferrari: https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j914fh/dude_comes_straight_from_the_dealership_for_a/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j914...
- SilasX 6y ago
  HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24754662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24754662
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stickfigure 6y ago
As noted in the HN thread, the Ferrari was disabled due to an anti-theft device and couldn't be unlocked remotely due to connectivity. Lack of connectivity is not responsible for the car being disabled; an attempted "theft" (from the device's perspective) was, and a stuck car is exactly what the owner asked for. Even if there have been a few historical software bugs that caused some Nests to change temperature, it did not "become completely unresponsive in the middle of winter". Worst case is you walk up to the device and turn the temperature back up. Also, there's nothing in that bug report that suggests it has anything to do with internet connectivity. A quick google search shows plenty of people getting locked in non-internet-connected cars. The modern world is complex. Even before I replaced my thermostat with a Nest, my furnace was already way more fragile than my fireplace.

mcguire 6y ago

Anybody remember Iris?