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These seem all very different critiques. The Nick Kristof article is based on the work of Laila Mickelwait, who has for the last couple of years worked tireless

These seem all very different critiques. The Nick Kristof article is based on the work of Laila Mickelwait, who has for the last couple of years worked tirelessly on her campaign to shutdown Pornhub. I twas her who has surfaced all the victims in the article. Though I doubt she will succeed now, she is very clear that the end-goal is not to monitor Pornhub, but to criminally charge it's owners. This is because a criminal case against them, similar to Backpage, would essentially make all tube-porn sites legal unviable.

tomjen3 6y ago
And a very quick google search confirmed what I suspected: she works for a christian organization. I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right.
- Andrex 6y ago
  > I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right. How could you pay attention to American politics in the last 30 years and possibly still think this?
- Karunamon 6y ago
  And? How is that relevant? I really quite loathe this line of argument that the source or even the intentions behind a probably factual statement should be taken into account when evaluating the truthfulness of the statement. It's textbook ad hominem, literally argument to the person. PH has a demonstrable problem with child porn on its service. I don't care if it's the US government, a different government, a religious fundamentalist, a competitor, a lobbying group, or some random anonymous internet user surfacing that problem so long as it's verifiably true. Intention factors into evaluation of the speaker, not the content. To do otherwise is to discard important, actionable facts because you dislike the speaker. In other words, it discards logic.
  - wolco2 6y ago
    The stats compared to facebook show the opposite. 100 or so items over three years is a success story compared to any other social network. You need trust in the messager. If this person has religious objections ignoring that is ignoring reality. The messager is the message
    - Raphmedia 6y ago
      1 rape or child-porn video is already too much. Comparing to other websites is meaningless and insensitive. We are not comparing performance statistics but broken lives. Telling the judge that your neighbor is more criminal than you won't help you in any court case.
      - wolco2 6y ago
        Comparing social media sites incidents and take down polcies for these types of sites are not meaningless. If someone emailed you some material should your emailbox, you or all email be taken away from society? The reality of user generated content being uploaded and breaking a sites tos is all too common.
- Raphmedia 6y ago
  Only 22.8% of the USA is non-religious according to census. Should we ignore the work done by 77.2% of the population? This is just an easy cop-out to avoid talking about a difficult topic.
- syshum 6y ago
  No, instead we has simply proven the Horseshoe theory of politics. Liberty, and freedom are under assault from both the extreme right, and the extreme left. Who it seems end up supporting similar policies for very different reasons
- stefantalpalaru 6y ago
  > I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/05/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/0... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/04/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast-0 https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/0...
kmonsen 6y ago
Kristof's end goal (at least as he states, and based on the reporting) is not to shut down Pornhub, and he tried to balance it with talking to Pornstars to make sure there would be a balance. I think you are attacking the person instead of the issue. It doesn't matter what her background is as long as there are legitimate issues. And that was certainly the case with backpage, and seems like it was true for Pornhub as well. I would say Pornhub either is more serious or learned the lesson from backpage, and is moving very fast in shutting illegal things down. I don't think it currently looks like the outcome right now looks like they will be declared illegal.

tomjen3 6y ago

And a very quick google search confirmed what I suspected: she works for a christian organization. I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right.

Andrex 6y ago
> I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right. How could you pay attention to American politics in the last 30 years and possibly still think this?
Karunamon 6y ago
And? How is that relevant? I really quite loathe this line of argument that the source or even the intentions behind a probably factual statement should be taken into account when evaluating the truthfulness of the statement. It's textbook ad hominem, literally argument to the person. PH has a demonstrable problem with child porn on its service. I don't care if it's the US government, a different government, a religious fundamentalist, a competitor, a lobbying group, or some random anonymous internet user surfacing that problem so long as it's verifiably true. Intention factors into evaluation of the speaker, not the content. To do otherwise is to discard important, actionable facts because you dislike the speaker. In other words, it discards logic.
- wolco2 6y ago
  The stats compared to facebook show the opposite. 100 or so items over three years is a success story compared to any other social network. You need trust in the messager. If this person has religious objections ignoring that is ignoring reality. The messager is the message
  - Raphmedia 6y ago
    1 rape or child-porn video is already too much. Comparing to other websites is meaningless and insensitive. We are not comparing performance statistics but broken lives. Telling the judge that your neighbor is more criminal than you won't help you in any court case.
    - wolco2 6y ago
      Comparing social media sites incidents and take down polcies for these types of sites are not meaningless. If someone emailed you some material should your emailbox, you or all email be taken away from society? The reality of user generated content being uploaded and breaking a sites tos is all too common.
Raphmedia 6y ago
Only 22.8% of the USA is non-religious according to census. Should we ignore the work done by 77.2% of the population? This is just an easy cop-out to avoid talking about a difficult topic.
syshum 6y ago
No, instead we has simply proven the Horseshoe theory of politics. Liberty, and freedom are under assault from both the extreme right, and the extreme left. Who it seems end up supporting similar policies for very different reasons
stefantalpalaru 6y ago
> I thought that we had effectively neutered the religious right. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/05/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/0... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/04/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast-0 https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/0...

kmonsen 6y ago

Kristof's end goal (at least as he states, and based on the reporting) is not to shut down Pornhub, and he tried to balance it with talking to Pornstars to make sure there would be a balance. I think you are attacking the person instead of the issue. It doesn't matter what her background is as long as there are legitimate issues. And that was certainly the case with backpage, and seems like it was true for Pornhub as well. I would say Pornhub either is more serious or learned the lesson from backpage, and is moving very fast in shutting illegal things down. I don't think it currently looks like the outcome right now looks like they will be declared illegal.