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You've made it fairly clear which camp you are in by the framing of your "falsehoods". Masks primarily protect others, so whether they protect you is a seconda

by abraae 6y ago

You've made it fairly clear which camp you are in by the framing of your "falsehoods". Masks primarily protect others, so whether they protect you is a secondary question. And no-one (with any credibility) is really stating any of the other positions you've listed.

cm2187 6y ago
The simple fact that you are framing it as "a camp" shows the problem. So there is my camp vs your camp. And one camp is right and the other is wrong? Is that how we deal with infectious diseases?
- scrollaway 6y ago
  If GP had used the word "mindset" instead of "camp", would you feel better? Their point is still valid, you're the one framing things here. You're right that there's a lot of dubious claims out there, and yes there are plenty of examples of overreactions, but it's easy to overcorrect no matter which "side" you lean. Now explain to me though, if this isn't a "camp" thing, why is it nearly always the case with americans that one political side is claiming the virus isn't dangerous, and one is claiming that it is?
  - cm2187 6y ago
    I don't know that there is that much polarisation. There is a very high degree of polarisation and conformity in the media and among public figures. I don't know that the population is actually that polarised. The media would like us to think so, so every Trump voter is presented as a caricature of a Trump supporter, and every Biden voter is a caricature of a SJW activist. But that's not actually how people voted. People rather voted to the centre at this election. There is some correlation but I don't think you can call it a camp.
hordeallergy 6y ago
That's the problem - who has credibility? Professor pants-down? Sweden? Germany? The high profile person on that side, or the high profile person on the other side?
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  Epistemology is hard. Listen to the best evidence you can, make your own judgements, and realize you won’t be 100% correct in all things. That’s really the best any of us can do.
eloff 6y ago
The WHO very blatantly lied about masks in the beginning to preserve protective equipment for frontline medical personnel. They then changed their tune afterwards. Do you think the science on mask wearing suddenly changed - or do you think they were lying to people because they thought it the lesser evil? Framing this as a right or left thing is not constructive. Deal with each thing point by point with citations if you want to have a real engagement about the issues.

by abraae 6y ago

cm2187 6y ago

The simple fact that you are framing it as "a camp" shows the problem. So there is my camp vs your camp. And one camp is right and the other is wrong? Is that how we deal with infectious diseases?

scrollaway 6y ago
If GP had used the word "mindset" instead of "camp", would you feel better? Their point is still valid, you're the one framing things here. You're right that there's a lot of dubious claims out there, and yes there are plenty of examples of overreactions, but it's easy to overcorrect no matter which "side" you lean. Now explain to me though, if this isn't a "camp" thing, why is it nearly always the case with americans that one political side is claiming the virus isn't dangerous, and one is claiming that it is?
- cm2187 6y ago
  I don't know that there is that much polarisation. There is a very high degree of polarisation and conformity in the media and among public figures. I don't know that the population is actually that polarised. The media would like us to think so, so every Trump voter is presented as a caricature of a Trump supporter, and every Biden voter is a caricature of a SJW activist. But that's not actually how people voted. People rather voted to the centre at this election. There is some correlation but I don't think you can call it a camp.

hordeallergy 6y ago

That's the problem - who has credibility? Professor pants-down? Sweden? Germany? The high profile person on that side, or the high profile person on the other side?

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
Epistemology is hard. Listen to the best evidence you can, make your own judgements, and realize you won’t be 100% correct in all things. That’s really the best any of us can do.

eloff 6y ago

The WHO very blatantly lied about masks in the beginning to preserve protective equipment for frontline medical personnel. They then changed their tune afterwards. Do you think the science on mask wearing suddenly changed - or do you think they were lying to people because they thought it the lesser evil? Framing this as a right or left thing is not constructive. Deal with each thing point by point with citations if you want to have a real engagement about the issues.