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I am extremely driven, but due to various methods of birth control I am completely unsuccessful. Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in i

I am extremely driven, but due to various methods of birth control I am completely unsuccessful. Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world.

alacombe 6y ago
> Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world Infanticide is conducted routinely in human societies in the form of abortion. Even though, abortion IS the right choice.
- wruza 6y ago
  It is a completely different infanticide, even if you give it this name.
  - alacombe 6y ago
    The result is the same.
    - wruza 6y ago
      The result is not the same either. The described infanticide serves a goal of undoing other gene’s reproduction. Abortion is a smarter form of not spending resources on a weak/dead-end offspring (or just throwing it out of nest), if you want these analogies.
      - alacombe 6y ago
        Would you condone the post-birth infanticide of a weak/dead-end offspring as a smarter form of not spending resource someone probably does not have ?
        wruza 6y ago
        I’m not talking morals here and not arguing for or against abortion. Our morals have nothing to do with competition infanticide in mammals vs abortion diff.
wruza 6y ago
Is it wise to stretch other species’ defaults to this issue? It is our behavior that is discussed, not that of some “higher mammals”. If that was natural to us, it would be a known widespread phenomenon in “feral” areas. Nothing adds more tension to the society than depriving most fundamental drives. Thank god these do not include opposing each other by forming large groups or not giving respect or food to someone because they don’t look better than us.

alacombe 6y ago

> Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world Infanticide is conducted routinely in human societies in the form of abortion. Even though, abortion IS the right choice.

wruza 6y ago
It is a completely different infanticide, even if you give it this name.
- alacombe 6y ago
  The result is the same.
  - wruza 6y ago
    The result is not the same either. The described infanticide serves a goal of undoing other gene’s reproduction. Abortion is a smarter form of not spending resources on a weak/dead-end offspring (or just throwing it out of nest), if you want these analogies.
    - alacombe 6y ago
      Would you condone the post-birth infanticide of a weak/dead-end offspring as a smarter form of not spending resource someone probably does not have ?
      - wruza 6y ago
        I’m not talking morals here and not arguing for or against abortion. Our morals have nothing to do with competition infanticide in mammals vs abortion diff.

wruza 6y ago

Is it wise to stretch other species’ defaults to this issue? It is our behavior that is discussed, not that of some “higher mammals”. If that was natural to us, it would be a known widespread phenomenon in “feral” areas. Nothing adds more tension to the society than depriving most fundamental drives. Thank god these do not include opposing each other by forming large groups or not giving respect or food to someone because they don’t look better than us.