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"You do not go after women and start a family." One of the many benefits I have received from porn and sex positivity in general. Imagine thinking you're suppo

"You do not go after women and start a family." One of the many benefits I have received from porn and sex positivity in general. Imagine thinking you're supposed to "go after" a woman because of some requirement to start a family? Absolutely dystopian.

CapricornNoble 6y ago
You wouldn't even be here if your dad didn't go after your mom. What's dystopian about the drive to perpetuate the species? That's the most basic function of any lifeform.
- commandlinefan 6y ago
  > the drive to perpetuate the species Maybe that's a good thing - we're facing an overpopulation crisis in the relatively near future.
  - astrange 6y ago
    We certainly are not. The thing about Malthus is that he was wrong. Birth rates are below or barely above replacement level in most of the world anyway, the only place with high birth rates is Africa and they’re not listening to you.
  - prionassembly 6y ago
    I'm curious as how this misconception subsists in 2020. Where did you come up with this idea?
- standardUser 6y ago
  I am extremely driven, but due to various methods of birth control I am completely unsuccessful. Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world.
  - alacombe 6y ago
    > Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world Infanticide is conducted routinely in human societies in the form of abortion. Even though, abortion IS the right choice.
    - wruza 6y ago
      It is a completely different infanticide, even if you give it this name.
      - alacombe 6y ago
        The result is the same.
        wruza 6y ago
        The result is not the same either. The described infanticide serves a goal of undoing other gene’s reproduction. Abortion is a smarter form of not spending resources on a weak/dead-end offspring (or just throwing it out of nest), if you want these analogies.
        alacombe 6y ago
        Would you condone the post-birth infanticide of a weak/dead-end offspring as a smarter form of not spending resource someone probably does not have ?
        wruza 6y ago
        I’m not talking morals here and not arguing for or against abortion. Our morals have nothing to do with competition infanticide in mammals vs abortion diff.
  - wruza 6y ago
fullshark 6y ago
The OP didn't phrase this elegantly for sure, but the general idea that a life spent alone, consuming pornography all day is unfulfilling should not be controversial, and porn like any addiction / vice can become a trap.
- powersnail 6y ago
  > the general idea that a life spent alone, consuming pornography all day is unfulfilling should not be controversial 1). I don't see why that's not controversial. It doesn't seem self-evident. If a person can fulfill the need by watching porn, then by definition, it is fulfilled. If a person finds it unfulfilling, well, such a person will be motivated to branch out and start doing something else. 2). OP claimed that regardless of whether you watch it all day for a few times a week, porn hinders you down from pursuing females. I'd argue that the latter doesn't. 3). Not forming a family doesn't mean a life spent alone. The only people I know who's determined to not ever get married, has a very active sex life and parties all the time. The idea that one can't be happy without a family is fairly outdated. 4). Addiction is a real thing, but one has to recognize that there is a wide gap between pathologically addicted to porn, and just enjoying watching porn.
  - serial_dev 6y ago
    > If a person can fulfill the need by watching porn, then by definition, it is fulfilled. If a person finds it unfulfilling, well, such a person will be motivated to branch out and start doing something else. Depends on what we are "fulfilling". Just think about an extremely overweight person who cannot stop overeating. Yes, they are fulfilled in terms of food, but (sometimes) they are self-loathing and consider the fact that they cannot stop eating a personal failure, so in that sense they are the farthest from "fulfilled". Same is true for porn, you might be fulfilled in a sense that you get to orgasm in 10 minutes, but there are other facets of life where regular porn consumption or masturbation might have a negative effect.
    - powersnail 6y ago
      Sure, nobody would expect porn to fill desires other than sexual. But, one can do other things to fulfill other desires. > there are other facets of life where regular porn consumption or masturbation might have a negative effect If there is a pathological addiction, yes, it will have a negative effect on one's life, just like most other addictions. (Addiction to sex, for instance) But, otherwise, I can't really think of masturbation interfering with life that much. People frequently waste away 10 minutes in all kinds of ways.

CapricornNoble 6y ago

You wouldn't even be here if your dad didn't go after your mom. What's dystopian about the drive to perpetuate the species? That's the most basic function of any lifeform.

commandlinefan 6y ago
> the drive to perpetuate the species Maybe that's a good thing - we're facing an overpopulation crisis in the relatively near future.
- astrange 6y ago
  We certainly are not. The thing about Malthus is that he was wrong. Birth rates are below or barely above replacement level in most of the world anyway, the only place with high birth rates is Africa and they’re not listening to you.
- prionassembly 6y ago
  I'm curious as how this misconception subsists in 2020. Where did you come up with this idea?
standardUser 6y ago
I am extremely driven, but due to various methods of birth control I am completely unsuccessful. Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world.
- alacombe 6y ago
  > Many species, including higher mammals, frequently engage in infanticide as part of their quest to perpetuate their genes, so maybe let's all try to do a bit better than the default of the natural world Infanticide is conducted routinely in human societies in the form of abortion. Even though, abortion IS the right choice.
  - wruza 6y ago
    It is a completely different infanticide, even if you give it this name.
    - alacombe 6y ago
      The result is the same.
      - wruza 6y ago
        The result is not the same either. The described infanticide serves a goal of undoing other gene’s reproduction. Abortion is a smarter form of not spending resources on a weak/dead-end offspring (or just throwing it out of nest), if you want these analogies.
        alacombe 6y ago
        Would you condone the post-birth infanticide of a weak/dead-end offspring as a smarter form of not spending resource someone probably does not have ?
        wruza 6y ago
        I’m not talking morals here and not arguing for or against abortion. Our morals have nothing to do with competition infanticide in mammals vs abortion diff.
- wruza 6y ago

fullshark 6y ago

The OP didn't phrase this elegantly for sure, but the general idea that a life spent alone, consuming pornography all day is unfulfilling should not be controversial, and porn like any addiction / vice can become a trap.

powersnail 6y ago
> the general idea that a life spent alone, consuming pornography all day is unfulfilling should not be controversial 1). I don't see why that's not controversial. It doesn't seem self-evident. If a person can fulfill the need by watching porn, then by definition, it is fulfilled. If a person finds it unfulfilling, well, such a person will be motivated to branch out and start doing something else. 2). OP claimed that regardless of whether you watch it all day for a few times a week, porn hinders you down from pursuing females. I'd argue that the latter doesn't. 3). Not forming a family doesn't mean a life spent alone. The only people I know who's determined to not ever get married, has a very active sex life and parties all the time. The idea that one can't be happy without a family is fairly outdated. 4). Addiction is a real thing, but one has to recognize that there is a wide gap between pathologically addicted to porn, and just enjoying watching porn.
- serial_dev 6y ago
  > If a person can fulfill the need by watching porn, then by definition, it is fulfilled. If a person finds it unfulfilling, well, such a person will be motivated to branch out and start doing something else. Depends on what we are "fulfilling". Just think about an extremely overweight person who cannot stop overeating. Yes, they are fulfilled in terms of food, but (sometimes) they are self-loathing and consider the fact that they cannot stop eating a personal failure, so in that sense they are the farthest from "fulfilled". Same is true for porn, you might be fulfilled in a sense that you get to orgasm in 10 minutes, but there are other facets of life where regular porn consumption or masturbation might have a negative effect.
  - powersnail 6y ago
    Sure, nobody would expect porn to fill desires other than sexual. But, one can do other things to fulfill other desires. > there are other facets of life where regular porn consumption or masturbation might have a negative effect If there is a pathological addiction, yes, it will have a negative effect on one's life, just like most other addictions. (Addiction to sex, for instance) But, otherwise, I can't really think of masturbation interfering with life that much. People frequently waste away 10 minutes in all kinds of ways.