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This means lots of casual exhibitionists will be reluctant to upload. It will probably cut uploads to a tiny fraction of what they were. Which could well be a

This means lots of casual exhibitionists will be reluctant to upload. It will probably cut uploads to a tiny fraction of what they were. Which could well be a net negative (I'm assuming both the viewers and exhibitionists get something out of it) given how small the positives are.

LinuxBender 6y ago
And that usually creates a vacuum for smaller niche sites to pop up and fill the gap.
- threeboy 6y ago
  "Fill the gap"
- Andrex 6y ago
  Smaller niche sites are exactly the type of pornographic sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.) And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy.
  - bilbo0s 6y ago
    And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy. Nor is it terribly safe right now legally speaking. Considering the child porn castoffs from pornhub will be out looking for a new place to upload their trash. Eventually, not only child pornographers, but so many other undesirables are on your site, that it's just dangerous to continue running it from a liability perspective.
    - LinuxBender 6y ago
      Agreed. I can imagine the look on a lawyers face if I said I wanted to make such a site.
  - wruza 6y ago
    >sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.) Is it still a thing? What malware can a pornsite contain that cannot be uploaded to or linked to from a regular smaller niche or bigger broader site? Do you download and run hotgirls.exe dialers or what?
    - Andrex 6y ago
      Things may have 100% changed and all porn sites are now completely safe, but I am not adventurous enough to find out.
throw_m239339 6y ago
> This means lots of casual exhibitionists will be reluctant to upload. You're saying it like it's a bad thing. Phub already has a process where content creators can ask their content to be verified directly. No platform should have porn on it without being able to source the origin of that content, period. (US) Studios have to retain a list of performers legally, I don't see why these free pornsites shouldn't. Countless lives have been destroyed because of revenge porn uploaded on these websites.
- mskslal 6y ago
  Absolutely this. The benefits of "casual exhibitionists" absolutely do not outweigh the risks and costs of having unverified and possibly illegal porn on your site.
- concordDance 6y ago
  > Countless lives have been destroyed because of revenge porn uploaded on these websites. I suspect you're getting a lot of downvotes for this. I don't know how one's life could get destroyed just by uploading a sex tape to a porn website. It's more the sending it to friends and aquaintances that causes hurt (and for the vast vast majority this would hardly "destroy their lives", very few people are that fragile), which can be accomplished easily enough without the porn website.
  - throw_m239339 6y ago
    > I don't know how one's life could get destroyed just by uploading a sex tape to a porn website You people have zero empathy provided you get your porn. You don't think that a victim of revenge porn feels like being raped everytime a stranger jerks off on her intimate image/video uploaded without her consent and it doesn't take a toll on her psyche thus destroying her life? Then shame on you.
klyrs 6y ago
There are other venues for this: cam sites, onlyfans, deviantart, fetlife, etc... which by and large put the subjects in the driver's seat. But a lot of those "casual exhibitionists" are unverified. Many of the photos may have been taken with consent, but are distributed without. Sometimes that's revenge porn, sometimes it's hacked/jacked content, etc. Distribution of questionably sourced content can be quite damaging to the subjects. If the "casual exhibitionist" is harmed here, it's dwarfed by the harm already being done to subjects without consent. And there are still plenty of suitable venues out there. Including verification with pornhub.
- concordDance 6y ago
  > If the "casual exhibitionist" is harmed here, it's dwarfed by the harm already being done to subjects without consent. If you look at the actual mechanisms by which harm happens in a revenge porn case, I think you'll find it isn't dependant on pornhub at all. What do you think are the mechanisms by which revenge porn harms?
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Pornhub actively, and knowingly or negligently, facilitates it. They're accessories to the act. It doesn't matter that it could happen anywhere. It's been happening on pornhub and until now they've been reactive (responding to takedown requests) instead of proactive (requiring verification of all content).
    - beezle 6y ago
      Newspapers, magazines and broadcast news have been actively, negligently and often knowingly defaming people and organizations for decades (centuries?), sometimes with very serious consequences for the offended parties. I've not heard anyone calling for Visa/MC to cut them off. If there is a legal case to be made against Pornhub, then the authorities should make it. Otherwise they would do better to go after those who made (or uploaded) the offending material in the first place.

LinuxBender 6y ago

And that usually creates a vacuum for smaller niche sites to pop up and fill the gap.

threeboy 6y ago
"Fill the gap"
Andrex 6y ago
Smaller niche sites are exactly the type of pornographic sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.) And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy. Nor is it terribly safe right now legally speaking. Considering the child porn castoffs from pornhub will be out looking for a new place to upload their trash. Eventually, not only child pornographers, but so many other undesirables are on your site, that it's just dangerous to continue running it from a liability perspective.
  - LinuxBender 6y ago
    Agreed. I can imagine the look on a lawyers face if I said I wanted to make such a site.
- wruza 6y ago
  >sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.) Is it still a thing? What malware can a pornsite contain that cannot be uploaded to or linked to from a regular smaller niche or bigger broader site? Do you download and run hotgirls.exe dialers or what?
  - Andrex 6y ago
    Things may have 100% changed and all porn sites are now completely safe, but I am not adventurous enough to find out.

throw_m239339 6y ago

> This means lots of casual exhibitionists will be reluctant to upload. You're saying it like it's a bad thing. Phub already has a process where content creators can ask their content to be verified directly. No platform should have porn on it without being able to source the origin of that content, period. (US) Studios have to retain a list of performers legally, I don't see why these free pornsites shouldn't. Countless lives have been destroyed because of revenge porn uploaded on these websites.

mskslal 6y ago
Absolutely this. The benefits of "casual exhibitionists" absolutely do not outweigh the risks and costs of having unverified and possibly illegal porn on your site.
concordDance 6y ago
> Countless lives have been destroyed because of revenge porn uploaded on these websites. I suspect you're getting a lot of downvotes for this. I don't know how one's life could get destroyed just by uploading a sex tape to a porn website. It's more the sending it to friends and aquaintances that causes hurt (and for the vast vast majority this would hardly "destroy their lives", very few people are that fragile), which can be accomplished easily enough without the porn website.
- throw_m239339 6y ago
  > I don't know how one's life could get destroyed just by uploading a sex tape to a porn website You people have zero empathy provided you get your porn. You don't think that a victim of revenge porn feels like being raped everytime a stranger jerks off on her intimate image/video uploaded without her consent and it doesn't take a toll on her psyche thus destroying her life? Then shame on you.

klyrs 6y ago

There are other venues for this: cam sites, onlyfans, deviantart, fetlife, etc... which by and large put the subjects in the driver's seat. But a lot of those "casual exhibitionists" are unverified. Many of the photos may have been taken with consent, but are distributed without. Sometimes that's revenge porn, sometimes it's hacked/jacked content, etc. Distribution of questionably sourced content can be quite damaging to the subjects. If the "casual exhibitionist" is harmed here, it's dwarfed by the harm already being done to subjects without consent. And there are still plenty of suitable venues out there. Including verification with pornhub.

concordDance 6y ago
> If the "casual exhibitionist" is harmed here, it's dwarfed by the harm already being done to subjects without consent. If you look at the actual mechanisms by which harm happens in a revenge porn case, I think you'll find it isn't dependant on pornhub at all. What do you think are the mechanisms by which revenge porn harms?
- klyrs 6y ago
  Pornhub actively, and knowingly or negligently, facilitates it. They're accessories to the act. It doesn't matter that it could happen anywhere. It's been happening on pornhub and until now they've been reactive (responding to takedown requests) instead of proactive (requiring verification of all content).
  - beezle 6y ago
    Newspapers, magazines and broadcast news have been actively, negligently and often knowingly defaming people and organizations for decades (centuries?), sometimes with very serious consequences for the offended parties. I've not heard anyone calling for Visa/MC to cut them off. If there is a legal case to be made against Pornhub, then the authorities should make it. Otherwise they would do better to go after those who made (or uploaded) the offending material in the first place.