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Notice the audience in question: men of low desirability (rural, low income, disabled, etc). Its to help the party avoid the problems with too many men due to t

Notice the audience in question: men of low desirability (rural, low income, disabled, etc). Its to help the party avoid the problems with too many men due to the one child policy. Its what "Harmonious Society" requires as per the leader Hu Jintao.

whywhywhywhy 6y ago
I don't think it's a China thing at all, if they launched this correctly in the west it would be just as popular in a few years. Lonely men exist everywhere.
- RegnisGnaw 6y ago
  The west does not have the gender ratio problem that China has. India is a potential market as well, due to the gender ratio problem.
  - justaman 6y ago
    The west does have anime waifu body pillows, fleshlights, hololive, and a porn addiction.
    - MisterTea 6y ago
      None of that offers you the ability to have a conversation with someone (camshows don't count).
      - inawarminister 6y ago
        Hololive does, one Hololive's mainstay, Zatsudan (Free Talk) is basically radio talk show with the interviewer being (you) the live audience. And I admit I use some Vtuber streams as replacement for impossible-to-do physical hangout in this year of pandemic.
      - fomine3 6y ago
        Those indicates that there are huge markets outside China.
  - geodel 6y ago
    Not necessarily a gender problem. Few desirable men will get most dates/gfs, others may end up with none. It is kinda true anywhere.
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    West has it's own gender ratio problem, look at percentages of how many men have any success with dating apps.
- jtsiskin 6y ago
  Yeah, look at the popularity of OnlyFans. It’s the same concept just not yet fully outsourced to AI.
  - scarmig 6y ago
    Well, the most forward-thinking performers are already outsourcing parts of their tailored interactive experiences to emerging markets...
silicon2401 6y ago
Regardless of the reason, would it be better to doom a person to never feel love, or to at least allow them to experience it through an AI? I'm no fan of the CCP or corporations, but in theory this could be a great tool
- tgv 6y ago
  You're equating real, personal affection with a machine going trough the motions. I can't believe you're both serious and respecting these poor souls.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - akalsz 6y ago
    Sure the technology seems to have a long way to go. But would it not being real really matter once you could no longer tell the difference? Either way, when the alternative is loneliness, depression, and eventually suicide, I find the AI solution to be way more humane.
    - silicon2401 6y ago
      This is exactly my point. It's like the common saying, "it's real to me". Same as religion. Many religious people are less interested with whether or not something is true, and more motivated by the impact belief has on their life. There are enough mutually exclusive religions out there that we know at least one has to be untrue. If believing in a religion that isn't real can improve someone's life, why would love be any different?
  - silicon2401 6y ago
    This is like the brain in a jar. Whatever you feel, no matter how strongly, is entirely located inside yourself. If thing X and thing Y both result in the same neurochemical response that you experience as "love", why is it not good for some to have Y if they can't have X?
snicker7 6y ago
With 660M users (in a country with 1.4 billion), "low desirability" has a pretty low threshold.
- tristor 6y ago
  > With 660M users (in a country with 1.4 billion), "low desirability" has a pretty low threshold. Research indicates that "low desirability" /is/ a pretty low threshold.[1]. While all of the reasons and possible societal factors are not well understood, the effects are. Women tend to find only the upper percentile of men in objective attractiveness to be attractive, while men are more uniformly distributed across the spectrum of what they find attractive when comparing between genders in heterosexual dating contexts. The net result is that in male skewed geographies, it's actually possible that the majority of men may be considered undesirable. China has a massively unbalanced gender distribution, which clearly plays an effect here as well. [1]: https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyourinbox.html https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo...
  - eeZah7Ux 6y ago
    > Research indicates that "low desirability" /is/ a pretty low threshold. No. First, okcupid is hardly a legitimate and reliable source. Second, their research provides no justification for your claim around a "low desirability" threshold. It only show a strong skew in how women pick a number between 1 and 5.
    - tristor 6y ago
      > No. First, okcupid is hardly a legitimate and reliable source. Contrary to this assertion, OKTrends has a long history of being considered a legitimate and reliable source, and has been at the forefront of sociology research in dating and relationships for over a decade. They have serious researchers on staff and they have multiple peer reviewed publications which are simplified for their blog. > It only show a strong skew in how women pick a number between 1 and 5. You clearly didn't read the article, as you are misunderstanding their methodology.
  - 6y ago
aaron-santos 6y ago
China has Xiaoice. We have Call of Duty. They both achieve the same ends. Imagine society where a bunch of alienated workers had a lot of free time on their hands.
- agytvfr 6y ago
  That seems like a weird dichotomy, Call of Duty is likely more fun in a going on an adventure way, where as chatting with an AI seems more like the old livejournal/90's blogging community(venting to someone about your feelings).

whywhywhywhy 6y ago

I don't think it's a China thing at all, if they launched this correctly in the west it would be just as popular in a few years. Lonely men exist everywhere.

RegnisGnaw 6y ago
The west does not have the gender ratio problem that China has. India is a potential market as well, due to the gender ratio problem.
- justaman 6y ago
  The west does have anime waifu body pillows, fleshlights, hololive, and a porn addiction.
  - MisterTea 6y ago
    None of that offers you the ability to have a conversation with someone (camshows don't count).
    - inawarminister 6y ago
      Hololive does, one Hololive's mainstay, Zatsudan (Free Talk) is basically radio talk show with the interviewer being (you) the live audience. And I admit I use some Vtuber streams as replacement for impossible-to-do physical hangout in this year of pandemic.
    - fomine3 6y ago
      Those indicates that there are huge markets outside China.
- geodel 6y ago
  Not necessarily a gender problem. Few desirable men will get most dates/gfs, others may end up with none. It is kinda true anywhere.
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  West has it's own gender ratio problem, look at percentages of how many men have any success with dating apps.
jtsiskin 6y ago
Yeah, look at the popularity of OnlyFans. It’s the same concept just not yet fully outsourced to AI.
- scarmig 6y ago
  Well, the most forward-thinking performers are already outsourcing parts of their tailored interactive experiences to emerging markets...

silicon2401 6y ago

Regardless of the reason, would it be better to doom a person to never feel love, or to at least allow them to experience it through an AI? I'm no fan of the CCP or corporations, but in theory this could be a great tool

tgv 6y ago
You're equating real, personal affection with a machine going trough the motions. I can't believe you're both serious and respecting these poor souls.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- akalsz 6y ago
  Sure the technology seems to have a long way to go. But would it not being real really matter once you could no longer tell the difference? Either way, when the alternative is loneliness, depression, and eventually suicide, I find the AI solution to be way more humane.
  - silicon2401 6y ago
    This is exactly my point. It's like the common saying, "it's real to me". Same as religion. Many religious people are less interested with whether or not something is true, and more motivated by the impact belief has on their life. There are enough mutually exclusive religions out there that we know at least one has to be untrue. If believing in a religion that isn't real can improve someone's life, why would love be any different?
- silicon2401 6y ago
  This is like the brain in a jar. Whatever you feel, no matter how strongly, is entirely located inside yourself. If thing X and thing Y both result in the same neurochemical response that you experience as "love", why is it not good for some to have Y if they can't have X?

snicker7 6y ago

With 660M users (in a country with 1.4 billion), "low desirability" has a pretty low threshold.

tristor 6y ago
> With 660M users (in a country with 1.4 billion), "low desirability" has a pretty low threshold. Research indicates that "low desirability" /is/ a pretty low threshold.[1]. While all of the reasons and possible societal factors are not well understood, the effects are. Women tend to find only the upper percentile of men in objective attractiveness to be attractive, while men are more uniformly distributed across the spectrum of what they find attractive when comparing between genders in heterosexual dating contexts. The net result is that in male skewed geographies, it's actually possible that the majority of men may be considered undesirable. China has a massively unbalanced gender distribution, which clearly plays an effect here as well. [1]: https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyourinbox.html https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo...
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  > Research indicates that "low desirability" /is/ a pretty low threshold. No. First, okcupid is hardly a legitimate and reliable source. Second, their research provides no justification for your claim around a "low desirability" threshold. It only show a strong skew in how women pick a number between 1 and 5.
  - tristor 6y ago
    > No. First, okcupid is hardly a legitimate and reliable source. Contrary to this assertion, OKTrends has a long history of being considered a legitimate and reliable source, and has been at the forefront of sociology research in dating and relationships for over a decade. They have serious researchers on staff and they have multiple peer reviewed publications which are simplified for their blog. > It only show a strong skew in how women pick a number between 1 and 5. You clearly didn't read the article, as you are misunderstanding their methodology.
- 6y ago

aaron-santos 6y ago

China has Xiaoice. We have Call of Duty. They both achieve the same ends. Imagine society where a bunch of alienated workers had a lot of free time on their hands.

agytvfr 6y ago
That seems like a weird dichotomy, Call of Duty is likely more fun in a going on an adventure way, where as chatting with an AI seems more like the old livejournal/90's blogging community(venting to someone about your feelings).