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>the apparent feminization of human societies Wow, could you elaborate or backup this claim? Do you mean that it explains that there are more female born than

>the apparent feminization of human societies Wow, could you elaborate or backup this claim? Do you mean that it explains that there are more female born than male? Probably not since you say it can't be talked about so you're hinting at a more ideological and thus controversial claim : That masculine values are on the down or something of that kind. If that's your opinion, well it is a classic overheard reactionary argument about the pacification of social relationships and how war forge "real" men and you just disappointed me.

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bumby 6y ago
I don’t know, but they may be referring to studies that postulate environmental (as well as other) factors contributing to the general lowering of testosterone and fertility in men over the past few decades. https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc-idUKKIM16976320061101 https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc...
yarcob 6y ago
> could you elaborate or backup this claim I'm pretty sure they can't. The preceding paragraph contains 3 links to references, which is a pretty transparent attempt to make it seem like the incendiary sentence that follows isn't completely made up hogwash.
- User23 6y ago
  Your stating how GP's post makes you feel followed by completely dismissing the evidence GP offers and deciding its truth value based solely on your emotional response is exactly what GP is talking about.
  - gimboland 6y ago
    "Pretty sure" is a thought/judgement, not a feeling.
  - yarcob 6y ago
    > completely dismissing the evidence GP offers I don't see any evidence for the "apparent feminization of human societies", because that term is just incendiary bullshit and doesn't mean anything.
    - bumby 6y ago
      In the vein of trying to follow the HN guidelines to assume good faith, my assumption was that were referring to the overall lowering of male testosterone as the “feminization of societies”.
      - yarcob 6y ago
        But sometimes you need to call out pseudoscientific bullshit for what it is, instead of bending over backwards to find an acceptable interpretation of what someone could have meant when they said dumb shit.
        bumby 6y ago
        This is the reason there are guidelines to try an ensure a modicum of civility. There are more charitable ways of disagreeing than calling out “dumb shit”. One way facilitates discourse, the other shuts it down. If the latter is the goal, I don’t know if HN is the right place for you, considering it does note really fit with the guidelines
        yarcob 6y ago
        It's funny that you expect me to find a charitable reading of what I consider an obvious non-sequitur; while denying my comments the same curtesy. Yes, I used some colorful language; my argument would probably have been stronger without it. I'll try to avoid loaded terms like "dumb shit" in the future.
        yarcob 6y ago
        After reading this comment again, I realise that I should have just shut up a few comments before. I can't delete my comments any more now. My apologies for being so argumentative; GP triggered me and I just spewed expletives instead of calmly explaining my point of view.
  - cassepipe 6y ago
    The evidence he provides is of hormonal disruption that seems seem to affect secondary sexual characteristics not of a so called "feminization of society" which if he was trying to get his point across may have taken extra steps like saying "the femalization of society" even though the "of society" is also suspect in retrospect. What about "the regression of male characters in newborn babies"? Seems more reasonable. But back to my point: The parent is trying to conflate hard evidence of something with a very broad claim which is a typical rethorical tactic of conspiracy theorists and altrighters.
scns 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A?wprov=sfla1 It was used in baby bottle mouthpieces and dummys as a plasticizer.
User23 6y ago
Parent is unintentionally supporting grandparent's point. In any event the secular testosterone decline[1] corresponds roughly with the mass production of consumer plastic goods. No way to tease apart all the confounding variables though so it could be something else causing that. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17895324/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17895324/ and many many many others.
- buckminster 6y ago
  Average testicle size has been shrinking for decades too. And as you say, nobody knows why.

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bumby 6y ago

I don’t know, but they may be referring to studies that postulate environmental (as well as other) factors contributing to the general lowering of testosterone and fertility in men over the past few decades. https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc-idUKKIM16976320061101 https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-testosterone-levels-dc...

yarcob 6y ago

> could you elaborate or backup this claim I'm pretty sure they can't. The preceding paragraph contains 3 links to references, which is a pretty transparent attempt to make it seem like the incendiary sentence that follows isn't completely made up hogwash.

User23 6y ago
Your stating how GP's post makes you feel followed by completely dismissing the evidence GP offers and deciding its truth value based solely on your emotional response is exactly what GP is talking about.
- gimboland 6y ago
  "Pretty sure" is a thought/judgement, not a feeling.
- yarcob 6y ago
  > completely dismissing the evidence GP offers I don't see any evidence for the "apparent feminization of human societies", because that term is just incendiary bullshit and doesn't mean anything.
  - bumby 6y ago
    In the vein of trying to follow the HN guidelines to assume good faith, my assumption was that were referring to the overall lowering of male testosterone as the “feminization of societies”.
    - yarcob 6y ago
      But sometimes you need to call out pseudoscientific bullshit for what it is, instead of bending over backwards to find an acceptable interpretation of what someone could have meant when they said dumb shit.
      - bumby 6y ago
        This is the reason there are guidelines to try an ensure a modicum of civility. There are more charitable ways of disagreeing than calling out “dumb shit”. One way facilitates discourse, the other shuts it down. If the latter is the goal, I don’t know if HN is the right place for you, considering it does note really fit with the guidelines
        yarcob 6y ago
        It's funny that you expect me to find a charitable reading of what I consider an obvious non-sequitur; while denying my comments the same curtesy. Yes, I used some colorful language; my argument would probably have been stronger without it. I'll try to avoid loaded terms like "dumb shit" in the future.
        yarcob 6y ago
        After reading this comment again, I realise that I should have just shut up a few comments before. I can't delete my comments any more now. My apologies for being so argumentative; GP triggered me and I just spewed expletives instead of calmly explaining my point of view.
- cassepipe 6y ago
  The evidence he provides is of hormonal disruption that seems seem to affect secondary sexual characteristics not of a so called "feminization of society" which if he was trying to get his point across may have taken extra steps like saying "the femalization of society" even though the "of society" is also suspect in retrospect. What about "the regression of male characters in newborn babies"? Seems more reasonable. But back to my point: The parent is trying to conflate hard evidence of something with a very broad claim which is a typical rethorical tactic of conspiracy theorists and altrighters.

scns 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A?wprov=sfla1 It was used in baby bottle mouthpieces and dummys as a plasticizer.

User23 6y ago

Parent is unintentionally supporting grandparent's point. In any event the secular testosterone decline[1] corresponds roughly with the mass production of consumer plastic goods. No way to tease apart all the confounding variables though so it could be something else causing that. [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17895324/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17895324/ and many many many others.

buckminster 6y ago
Average testicle size has been shrinking for decades too. And as you say, nobody knows why.