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You can get a degree for muuuuch less in europe. In france it'd be something like 1k€ at most over your whole post-high-school studies unless you go to speciali

You can get a degree for muuuuch less in europe. In france it'd be something like 1k€ at most over your whole post-high-school studies unless you go to specialized art school or something like that.

Galanwe 6y ago
(Did all my studies in France at public schools (university).) I think the fee was 300€/year, most of it was headed toward paying mandatory access to the university library. That would be 300x5=1500€ (~2k$) for a complete engineering degree. Lets not forget that all this is paid with tax money though. You will sort of pay back these studies when paying your taxes once working :)
- jcelerier 6y ago
  > I think the fee was 300€/year, most of it was headed toward paying mandatory access to the university library. In Bordeaux it's ~200€ for licence and ~300€ for master, but yeah, lowballed that a little bit. But ! Note that in France almost 40% of university students get the state grant (https://www.campusmatin.com/vie-campus/experience-etudiante/le-chiffre-36-8-d-etudiants-boursiers-en-2019-2020.html https://www.campusmatin.com/vie-campus/experience-etudiante/...) - and thus don't even have to pay the inscription fee. > Lets not forget that all this is paid with tax money though. You will sort of pay back these studies when paying your taxes once working :) People in the US pay income tax, too - https://www.companow.com/us-vs-france-where-do-you-pay-the-most-taxes/ https://www.companow.com/us-vs-france-where-do-you-pay-the-m...
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  In Italy, it depends on how much money you have. Under a certain threshold you don't pay anything, most people pay something, I had to pay full price which was around 3k per year. Also, forget having a campus, classrooms looks like they haven't been renovated in 200 years, you need your own computers because labs are too outdated, professors salaries are a joke, professors keep mixing their personal interests / companies with university - basically getting free work out of students for their businesses, majority of students move out of Italy after graduating because high taxes and bureaucracy make it impossible for profitable business to start up (estimated 250k€ in taxes invested in education lost per student). I'd rather live in Italy than other countries but I won't uniquely for tax reasons.
AlchemistCamp 6y ago
Are you sure? Back when I was in school, I looked hard at all the options for studying abroad in France and found none with tuition even close to that cheap for even just a semester or summer. I suspect the prices you're talking about are heavily subsidized and only if you're French (which the OP probably isn't).
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  Actually those costs will be the same across the EU/EEA but yes if you're coming from somewhere else unless your government will cover the cost you will be paying for it.
- jcelerier 6y ago
  here are the prices for my local university - https://www.u-bordeaux.fr/Formation/Candidatures-et-inscriptions/Droits-d-inscription https://www.u-bordeaux.fr/Formation/Candidatures-et-inscript... Where do you come from ? If it's from the US, sure, it's quite more expensive. If it's from another european country, or a poor country, it should be cheap.
  - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
    In my case, that was half a lifetime ago. I'm mid-career now and doubt I'd ever study at a school in France unless maybe it's just for language study. I'm guessing the OP is in the US if they're talking about Lambda School, but even the full foreigner price for your school looks substantially less expensive than Lambda.
sivizius 6y ago
or Germany, where the only cost you might have is for the public transport ticket or something like that, and even this is often optional…I am actually curious why there are not so many students from the USA in German universities? Or is this due to language?
- LeonidasXIV 6y ago
  I assume this is because the US is not an EU member, so studying in Germany is not under the same conditions for them as for other EU members. Also, Germany is somewhat difficult to navigate if you don't speak German, since you reach many roadblocks where people don't speak English (this is different in Denmark, but Denmark's nationalist party has abolished bachelor studies in English, so much for that).
- p_l 6y ago
  Foreign students usually don't fall under the same funding and have to pay full price, while EU citizens are entitled to the same level of support as localssl. Which leads to fun times where English had to pay max UK rate at Scottish universities but EU citizens paid the same as Scots.
  - sivizius 6y ago
    Except for Baden-Württemberg, which has tuitions for non-EU-students (1.5k€ per semester afaik), it is irrelevant whether you are German, EU-citizen or from somewhere else. The only tuitions you might have is for studying too long.
  - fmajid 6y ago
    IIRC Americans study free in Germany, you are right that it is unusual in Europe where the free tuition only applies to EU nationals and residents.
kenniskrag 6y ago
~1000 chf per semester in switzerland but if not partly paid by the gov it would be much more.

Galanwe 6y ago

(Did all my studies in France at public schools (university).) I think the fee was 300€/year, most of it was headed toward paying mandatory access to the university library. That would be 300x5=1500€ (~2k$) for a complete engineering degree. Lets not forget that all this is paid with tax money though. You will sort of pay back these studies when paying your taxes once working :)

jcelerier 6y ago
> I think the fee was 300€/year, most of it was headed toward paying mandatory access to the university library. In Bordeaux it's ~200€ for licence and ~300€ for master, but yeah, lowballed that a little bit. But ! Note that in France almost 40% of university students get the state grant (https://www.campusmatin.com/vie-campus/experience-etudiante/le-chiffre-36-8-d-etudiants-boursiers-en-2019-2020.html https://www.campusmatin.com/vie-campus/experience-etudiante/...) - and thus don't even have to pay the inscription fee. > Lets not forget that all this is paid with tax money though. You will sort of pay back these studies when paying your taxes once working :) People in the US pay income tax, too - https://www.companow.com/us-vs-france-where-do-you-pay-the-most-taxes/ https://www.companow.com/us-vs-france-where-do-you-pay-the-m...
jokethrowaway 6y ago
In Italy, it depends on how much money you have. Under a certain threshold you don't pay anything, most people pay something, I had to pay full price which was around 3k per year. Also, forget having a campus, classrooms looks like they haven't been renovated in 200 years, you need your own computers because labs are too outdated, professors salaries are a joke, professors keep mixing their personal interests / companies with university - basically getting free work out of students for their businesses, majority of students move out of Italy after graduating because high taxes and bureaucracy make it impossible for profitable business to start up (estimated 250k€ in taxes invested in education lost per student). I'd rather live in Italy than other countries but I won't uniquely for tax reasons.

AlchemistCamp 6y ago

Are you sure? Back when I was in school, I looked hard at all the options for studying abroad in France and found none with tuition even close to that cheap for even just a semester or summer. I suspect the prices you're talking about are heavily subsidized and only if you're French (which the OP probably isn't).

meheleventyone 6y ago
Actually those costs will be the same across the EU/EEA but yes if you're coming from somewhere else unless your government will cover the cost you will be paying for it.
jcelerier 6y ago
here are the prices for my local university - https://www.u-bordeaux.fr/Formation/Candidatures-et-inscriptions/Droits-d-inscription https://www.u-bordeaux.fr/Formation/Candidatures-et-inscript... Where do you come from ? If it's from the US, sure, it's quite more expensive. If it's from another european country, or a poor country, it should be cheap.
- AlchemistCamp 6y ago
  In my case, that was half a lifetime ago. I'm mid-career now and doubt I'd ever study at a school in France unless maybe it's just for language study. I'm guessing the OP is in the US if they're talking about Lambda School, but even the full foreigner price for your school looks substantially less expensive than Lambda.

sivizius 6y ago

or Germany, where the only cost you might have is for the public transport ticket or something like that, and even this is often optional…I am actually curious why there are not so many students from the USA in German universities? Or is this due to language?

LeonidasXIV 6y ago
I assume this is because the US is not an EU member, so studying in Germany is not under the same conditions for them as for other EU members. Also, Germany is somewhat difficult to navigate if you don't speak German, since you reach many roadblocks where people don't speak English (this is different in Denmark, but Denmark's nationalist party has abolished bachelor studies in English, so much for that).
p_l 6y ago
Foreign students usually don't fall under the same funding and have to pay full price, while EU citizens are entitled to the same level of support as localssl. Which leads to fun times where English had to pay max UK rate at Scottish universities but EU citizens paid the same as Scots.
- sivizius 6y ago
  Except for Baden-Württemberg, which has tuitions for non-EU-students (1.5k€ per semester afaik), it is irrelevant whether you are German, EU-citizen or from somewhere else. The only tuitions you might have is for studying too long.
- fmajid 6y ago
  IIRC Americans study free in Germany, you are right that it is unusual in Europe where the free tuition only applies to EU nationals and residents.

kenniskrag 6y ago

~1000 chf per semester in switzerland but if not partly paid by the gov it would be much more.