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This. It still seems like other carmakers are not taking EVs seriously, and are content to milk ICE vehicles to the very end.

clouddrover 6y ago
No, it's just that Europe and China have the priority for the larger manufacturers because they have stricter fleet emissions standards. Volkswagen and Renault BEVs outsell Tesla in Europe, for example.
twblalock 6y ago
On the contrary, most major brands have announced new electric and/or plug-in hybrid cars coming out in the next 5 years. That includes all of the major German brands, along with Ford and GM. The Big 3 Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, and Nissan) already have some and are planning to build more. Altogether, those brands account for most of the global auto market.
- WillPostForFood 6y ago
  most major brands have announced new electric and/or plug-in hybrid cars coming out in the next 5 years So 2025 is when major brands are serious about electric cars? Doesn't that seem late?
  - twblalock 6y ago
    > So 2025 is when major brands are serious about electric cars? Doesn't that seem late? Why would that be late? It might be too early! There is not a good infrastructure for electric car charging. Right now it is a luxury for homeowners and people who rent high-end apartments. Even in California, where I see electric cars literally every time I drive somewhere, the infrastructure is easily overwhelmed -- last year there were long lines outside of Tesla Supercharger stations on Thanksgiving and Christmas, and that was just for Tesla owners! Imagine how bad it will get when electric cars become available at prices that most people can afford! Considering those challenges, it's really very encouraging that mass-market automakers are willing to take the risk - especially since the government has not been willing to take the complementary risk of building charging stations on public streets to the extent that would be necessary for apartment-dwellers to be able to realistically consider owning electric cars.
    - Noos 6y ago
      Not sure about the risk. Like you said, we'd have to massively redo infrastructure on a huge level to see any penetration beyond luxury alternative use. If we'd start to also see increased carbon taxes or various efforts to reduce climate change, both vehicle and infrastructure might become even more expensive and more of a luxury. Plus, it seems as a culture we are just wasting the productivity gains from increased technology and automation and dumping the value into money games; eventually i expect electric cars will be moot because there won't be enough jobs or job creation to sustain enough of a middle class to afford them.
- johnrgrace 6y ago
  GM alone has 20 electric models coming out between now and 2023, 30 total by 2025.
- gkfasdfasdf 6y ago
  Plug in hybrids do not count. Only 50 miles or so of electric range or underpowered and polluting motor...no thanks. They are the worst of both worlds and a way for manufacturers to milk their supply chains. Can't say I blame them for trying. Also the EV offerings in the US outside of Tesla are frankly pathetic. Overpriced, inefficient, and hard to obtain.

clouddrover 6y ago

No, it's just that Europe and China have the priority for the larger manufacturers because they have stricter fleet emissions standards. Volkswagen and Renault BEVs outsell Tesla in Europe, for example.

twblalock 6y ago

On the contrary, most major brands have announced new electric and/or plug-in hybrid cars coming out in the next 5 years. That includes all of the major German brands, along with Ford and GM. The Big 3 Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, and Nissan) already have some and are planning to build more. Altogether, those brands account for most of the global auto market.

WillPostForFood 6y ago
most major brands have announced new electric and/or plug-in hybrid cars coming out in the next 5 years So 2025 is when major brands are serious about electric cars? Doesn't that seem late?
- twblalock 6y ago
  > So 2025 is when major brands are serious about electric cars? Doesn't that seem late? Why would that be late? It might be too early! There is not a good infrastructure for electric car charging. Right now it is a luxury for homeowners and people who rent high-end apartments. Even in California, where I see electric cars literally every time I drive somewhere, the infrastructure is easily overwhelmed -- last year there were long lines outside of Tesla Supercharger stations on Thanksgiving and Christmas, and that was just for Tesla owners! Imagine how bad it will get when electric cars become available at prices that most people can afford! Considering those challenges, it's really very encouraging that mass-market automakers are willing to take the risk - especially since the government has not been willing to take the complementary risk of building charging stations on public streets to the extent that would be necessary for apartment-dwellers to be able to realistically consider owning electric cars.
  - Noos 6y ago
    Not sure about the risk. Like you said, we'd have to massively redo infrastructure on a huge level to see any penetration beyond luxury alternative use. If we'd start to also see increased carbon taxes or various efforts to reduce climate change, both vehicle and infrastructure might become even more expensive and more of a luxury. Plus, it seems as a culture we are just wasting the productivity gains from increased technology and automation and dumping the value into money games; eventually i expect electric cars will be moot because there won't be enough jobs or job creation to sustain enough of a middle class to afford them.
johnrgrace 6y ago
GM alone has 20 electric models coming out between now and 2023, 30 total by 2025.
gkfasdfasdf 6y ago
Plug in hybrids do not count. Only 50 miles or so of electric range or underpowered and polluting motor...no thanks. They are the worst of both worlds and a way for manufacturers to milk their supply chains. Can't say I blame them for trying. Also the EV offerings in the US outside of Tesla are frankly pathetic. Overpriced, inefficient, and hard to obtain.