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A little related background on Gawker outing people. The original story[1] was made by Owen Thomas, the same writer who outed Peter Thiel. Interestingly, both h

A little related background on Gawker outing people. The original story[1] was made by Owen Thomas, the same writer who outed Peter Thiel. Interestingly, both he and Gawker founder Nick Denton are gay. 1: https://gawker.com/5082473/is-apple-coo-tim-cook-gay https://gawker.com/5082473/is-apple-coo-tim-cook-gay 2: https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Gawker-Peter-Thiel-and-me-7971310.php https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Gawker-Peter-Thiel-a...

ebiester 6y ago
Outing is a controversial but old practice from the 80s in the queer community, and involves outing public figures who were involved in making the lives of the LGBT community worse. The classic text I know was Outing, Part 1 from Michelangelo Signorile's "Queer In America." but https://www.newsweek.com/age-outing-202878 https://www.newsweek.com/age-outing-202878 is an article from back then.
- rozab 6y ago
  A now flagged comment further down appears to be criticizing Cook for his relations with Saudi Arabian leadership. That would make sense.
  - nickff 6y ago
    Nick Denton was known for being happy to gossip and slander; he always said his victims loved the attention, and that if they hated it so much, they could always sue him. Eventually, some did.
- donpott 6y ago
  The book "Conspiracy: A True Story of Power, Sex, and a Billionaire's Secret Plot to Destroy a Media Empire" by Ryan Holiday was very interesting, and it´s a detailed look into this whole case.
- viktorcode 6y ago
  > Outing is a controversial but old practice I would translate "controversial" here as "shitty". It is just selling other people's privacy for clicks, which may damage their lives.
  - ebiester 6y ago
    Did it make sense to out Jim Kolbe after he sold out the LGBTQ community in congress? Or Ted Haggard who was using his power to hurt the community? We can came other political and public figures where outing was stopping the damage. The moment you sell the community out, your right to the closet is compromised. OTOH, did it help anyone that Rock Hudson was outed? (Maybe?) Did it help anyone that Cook was outed? Probably not.
P_I_Staker 6y ago
Yeah, people assume that LGBTQ people can't be nasty for some reason. I heard him talk about his reasoning, and I believe he's sincere. Basically, he felt that being closeted was an insult to gay men and sets the community back. Just because someone is a minority from a oppressed demographic, doesn't mean they'll be kind and sensitive, in all social matters. Sometimes black people are racist and gay people are assholes.

ebiester 6y ago

Outing is a controversial but old practice from the 80s in the queer community, and involves outing public figures who were involved in making the lives of the LGBT community worse. The classic text I know was Outing, Part 1 from Michelangelo Signorile's "Queer In America." but https://www.newsweek.com/age-outing-202878 https://www.newsweek.com/age-outing-202878 is an article from back then.

rozab 6y ago
A now flagged comment further down appears to be criticizing Cook for his relations with Saudi Arabian leadership. That would make sense.
- nickff 6y ago
  Nick Denton was known for being happy to gossip and slander; he always said his victims loved the attention, and that if they hated it so much, they could always sue him. Eventually, some did.
donpott 6y ago
The book "Conspiracy: A True Story of Power, Sex, and a Billionaire's Secret Plot to Destroy a Media Empire" by Ryan Holiday was very interesting, and it´s a detailed look into this whole case.
viktorcode 6y ago
> Outing is a controversial but old practice I would translate "controversial" here as "shitty". It is just selling other people's privacy for clicks, which may damage their lives.
- ebiester 6y ago
  Did it make sense to out Jim Kolbe after he sold out the LGBTQ community in congress? Or Ted Haggard who was using his power to hurt the community? We can came other political and public figures where outing was stopping the damage. The moment you sell the community out, your right to the closet is compromised. OTOH, did it help anyone that Rock Hudson was outed? (Maybe?) Did it help anyone that Cook was outed? Probably not.

P_I_Staker 6y ago

Yeah, people assume that LGBTQ people can't be nasty for some reason. I heard him talk about his reasoning, and I believe he's sincere. Basically, he felt that being closeted was an insult to gay men and sets the community back. Just because someone is a minority from a oppressed demographic, doesn't mean they'll be kind and sensitive, in all social matters. Sometimes black people are racist and gay people are assholes.