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Usually communist party members in your company in China isn't a big secret, it's pretty much public info because the top 10% elite usually get invited and are

Usually communist party members in your company in China isn't a big secret, it's pretty much public info because the top 10% elite usually get invited and are allowed into the party. Also the desks of communist party members in the company will usually have communist party emblems and chinese flags indicating their status as a Communist Party member, it's not taboo to do so. Most top companies will gather top job candidates which will include communist party members who work as lawyers, developers, etc (aka normal jobs) and they will list their CCP membership on their resumes. So this is more doxxing I would say as the vast majority of communist party members working at a company are regular people. Source on Communist Party entrance process: https://daily.jstor.org/communist-party-of-china/ https://daily.jstor.org/communist-party-of-china/

verroq 6y ago
Yes this is true. Being a party member is just passing a test and paying the membership fee.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > Yes this is true. Being a party member is just passing a test and paying the membership fee. Not really. I have a friend who nearly joined in college. They had several rounds of applications: the first few went to kids with connections (or whose connections put them in a good position, e.g. appointed to be some kind of student government thing). Once those groups were exhausted, other kids got a chance. My friend was a very good student, but got a no-so-subtle message from the school official running the process that they wouldn't be considered without a bribe.
  - jagsbdjdksj 6y ago
    Citation needed?
    - ardy42 6y ago
      Like I said, it's a personal experience from a friend I trust. But if you need a cite, try this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25411282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25411282.
    - orestarod 6y ago
      Are you really asking a citation for a personal experience?
  - wonnage 6y ago
    Depending on when your friend was in college, it feels like things may have changed in the last 5 years. Anecdotally I've heard college recruitment efforts are more intense nowadays. Possibly because the younger generations are less interested in joining now, at the same time the leadership has a strong nationalistic bent.
  - bawolff 6y ago
    Lol. Gotta make sure the proletariat doesn't get into the communist party.
  - nmfisher 6y ago
    > My friend was a very good student, but got a no-so-subtle message from the school official running the process that they wouldn't be considered without a bribe. Based on my experience in China, this sounds 100% correct.
contingencies 6y ago
I can confirm membership status is always listed on resumes. It is no big secret.
- kerng 6y ago
  This is a privacy fallacy to fall for and big tech (ad) companies do this a lot. Just because a single or few instances of a particular information attribute is public, it's quite different compared to majority of instances being available at the same time - that this made it to front page of HN shows it's at least interesting news to many.
  - contingencies 6y ago
    Yes, when working in any company, including foreign companies, domestically, CCP membership status is always included on the resume. It's generally seen by employers as a positive point. I have never received a mainland Chinese resume overseas, so would not know about the overseas question. Edit: The parent originally asked "even when working in foreign companies? even when working in foreign countries?"
- TechBro8615 6y ago
  According to the news articles about this story, some of the names on the list were working for western companies and UK consulates. Do you think those people list their CCP membership on their resumes?
  - contingencies 6y ago
    If they are hired through normal hiring portals, listing the party membership status is a standard feature of said portals, so yes it would have been known. If they hire directly, they probably asked and may have been lied to. I highly doubt that Chinese tradecraft is so bad as to compromise purposefully and successfully planted undercover agents on assignment with foreign nation-states or similar by listing them as party members in low security databases... but you never know! Bureaucracies being what they are...
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powerapple 6y ago
Many people join the party in college. Yes, the best people are encouraged to join it. You have to write an application letter, and it is limited, so you can also get rejected (look at me :)). You have to participate in volunteering and so on.

verroq 6y ago

Yes this is true. Being a party member is just passing a test and paying the membership fee.

ardy42 6y ago
> Yes this is true. Being a party member is just passing a test and paying the membership fee. Not really. I have a friend who nearly joined in college. They had several rounds of applications: the first few went to kids with connections (or whose connections put them in a good position, e.g. appointed to be some kind of student government thing). Once those groups were exhausted, other kids got a chance. My friend was a very good student, but got a no-so-subtle message from the school official running the process that they wouldn't be considered without a bribe.
- jagsbdjdksj 6y ago
  Citation needed?
  - ardy42 6y ago
    Like I said, it's a personal experience from a friend I trust. But if you need a cite, try this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25411282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25411282.
  - orestarod 6y ago
    Are you really asking a citation for a personal experience?
- wonnage 6y ago
  Depending on when your friend was in college, it feels like things may have changed in the last 5 years. Anecdotally I've heard college recruitment efforts are more intense nowadays. Possibly because the younger generations are less interested in joining now, at the same time the leadership has a strong nationalistic bent.
- bawolff 6y ago
  Lol. Gotta make sure the proletariat doesn't get into the communist party.
- nmfisher 6y ago
  > My friend was a very good student, but got a no-so-subtle message from the school official running the process that they wouldn't be considered without a bribe. Based on my experience in China, this sounds 100% correct.

contingencies 6y ago

I can confirm membership status is always listed on resumes. It is no big secret.

kerng 6y ago
This is a privacy fallacy to fall for and big tech (ad) companies do this a lot. Just because a single or few instances of a particular information attribute is public, it's quite different compared to majority of instances being available at the same time - that this made it to front page of HN shows it's at least interesting news to many.
- contingencies 6y ago
  Yes, when working in any company, including foreign companies, domestically, CCP membership status is always included on the resume. It's generally seen by employers as a positive point. I have never received a mainland Chinese resume overseas, so would not know about the overseas question. Edit: The parent originally asked "even when working in foreign companies? even when working in foreign countries?"
TechBro8615 6y ago
According to the news articles about this story, some of the names on the list were working for western companies and UK consulates. Do you think those people list their CCP membership on their resumes?
- contingencies 6y ago
  If they are hired through normal hiring portals, listing the party membership status is a standard feature of said portals, so yes it would have been known. If they hire directly, they probably asked and may have been lied to. I highly doubt that Chinese tradecraft is so bad as to compromise purposefully and successfully planted undercover agents on assignment with foreign nation-states or similar by listing them as party members in low security databases... but you never know! Bureaucracies being what they are...

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powerapple 6y ago

Many people join the party in college. Yes, the best people are encouraged to join it. You have to write an application letter, and it is limited, so you can also get rejected (look at me :)). You have to participate in volunteering and so on.