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I think it's a mistake to limit the scope of consideration to countries that are antagonist to America. I doubt it was them, but at least in theory, might not

I think it's a mistake to limit the scope of consideration to countries that are antagonist to America. I doubt it was them, but at least in theory, might not Canada have an interest in having advanced knowledge of things the US Treasury might decide? Certainly the US economy impacts Canada as well, as it does nearly any other country to one degree or another.

na85 6y ago
Hahaha our military can't even figure out boots for the troops, you think we can hack the US Government? As much as Canadians like to shit on America, one thing they gave going for them south of the border is that "Fuck yeah America" attitude that leads people to pursue excellence. We don't have that in our public sector. We just have passive aggression, mediocrity and memes about being polite.
- bigbubba 6y ago
  Well, maybe Canada is pretty unlikely I concede. But it seems possible that it might be some other first world nation that has friendly relations with America. I mean, America spied on Germany, right? Maybe Germany spies on America. I really haven't the foggiest clue who did it, but I wouldn't limit consideration to overtly adversarial countries.
- pbourke 6y ago
  You may not be aware, but Canada does have a sophisticated organization dedicated to electronic security: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Security_Establishment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Security_Esta...
  - na85 6y ago
    I'm Canadian and am well aware of CSE's existence. Do you think a Wiki article can capture the staggering incompetence that's endemic within the Canadian public sector?
    - pbourke 6y ago
      And you’re holding up the US public sector as your shining city on a hill? Canada is leading the world in procuring the vaccine, and has had a very well-considered response to the pandemic. How long did it take for CERB cheques to arrive? Days? Look at the cluster that was the US response, even at the basic “get money in people’s hands” level. Getting back to the original point - I’m sure there are a dozen or more countries with the capability to pull off something this sophisticated, which would include Canada. Highly unlikely that it was us, obviously.
      - na85 6y ago
        >And you’re holding up the US public sector as your shining city on a hill? Certainly not. I'm only holding the US's cybersecurity complex as a shining city on the hill. Our government is so inept that I very much doubt CSE has the funding it needs or the ability to hire skilled people. Happy to be proven wrong. >Canada is leading the world in procuring the vaccine Because we don't have any domestic production capacity due to decades of federal mismanagement. The same mismanagement that bought us used, obsolete fighter jets and submarines that catch fire at the slightest provocation. We lead the world in procuring those items too.

na85 6y ago

Hahaha our military can't even figure out boots for the troops, you think we can hack the US Government? As much as Canadians like to shit on America, one thing they gave going for them south of the border is that "Fuck yeah America" attitude that leads people to pursue excellence. We don't have that in our public sector. We just have passive aggression, mediocrity and memes about being polite.

bigbubba 6y ago
Well, maybe Canada is pretty unlikely I concede. But it seems possible that it might be some other first world nation that has friendly relations with America. I mean, America spied on Germany, right? Maybe Germany spies on America. I really haven't the foggiest clue who did it, but I wouldn't limit consideration to overtly adversarial countries.
pbourke 6y ago
You may not be aware, but Canada does have a sophisticated organization dedicated to electronic security: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Security_Establishment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Security_Esta...
- na85 6y ago
  I'm Canadian and am well aware of CSE's existence. Do you think a Wiki article can capture the staggering incompetence that's endemic within the Canadian public sector?
  - pbourke 6y ago
    And you’re holding up the US public sector as your shining city on a hill? Canada is leading the world in procuring the vaccine, and has had a very well-considered response to the pandemic. How long did it take for CERB cheques to arrive? Days? Look at the cluster that was the US response, even at the basic “get money in people’s hands” level. Getting back to the original point - I’m sure there are a dozen or more countries with the capability to pull off something this sophisticated, which would include Canada. Highly unlikely that it was us, obviously.
    - na85 6y ago
      >And you’re holding up the US public sector as your shining city on a hill? Certainly not. I'm only holding the US's cybersecurity complex as a shining city on the hill. Our government is so inept that I very much doubt CSE has the funding it needs or the ability to hire skilled people. Happy to be proven wrong. >Canada is leading the world in procuring the vaccine Because we don't have any domestic production capacity due to decades of federal mismanagement. The same mismanagement that bought us used, obsolete fighter jets and submarines that catch fire at the slightest provocation. We lead the world in procuring those items too.