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The american definition of "liberal" basically means socialist. In 2020, "liberals" in america have very little to do with the original meaning of the word whi

The american definition of "liberal" basically means socialist. In 2020, "liberals" in america have very little to do with the original meaning of the word which meant "in favor of freedom". If there is one thing the liberals in the US have very little care about it is preserving freedom. It's the main reason they got spanked by trump in '16. It has very little to do with the European understanding of "liberalism", which is what americans call "libertarians".

Rapzid 6y ago
That's a caricature of liberals you'd expect to find being pushed on people to elicit an endorphin response to confirmation bias. > If there is one thing the liberals in the US have very little care about it is preserving freedom You can't spend more than 2 seconds researching modern liberalism without civil liberties coming up.
- ur-whale 6y ago
  > That's a caricature of liberals you'd expect to find being pushed on people to elicit an endorphin response to confirmation bias. Funny :D >You can't spend more than 2 seconds researching modern liberalism without civil liberties coming up. Civil liberties != individual freedom They actually are more often than not antinomic.
bdcravens 6y ago
"Patriot" is another term that seems to have mutated in modern US politics.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> The american definition of "liberal" basically means socialist. No, it doesn't. Though it overlaps with a common American use of “socialist” to mean anyone outside of the far-right. Most American “liberals” are center-right corporate capitalists, which is also the narrow sense of “liberal” in much of the world. > In 2020, "liberals" in america have very little to do with the original meaning of the word which meant "in favor of freedom". This is false, and even more than just being liberal in this vague sense, most American “liberals” and a great share of American “conservatives” are adherents to ideologies which evolved fairly directly from 18th century classical liberalism, differing largely in whether they view the immediate goals of 18th century liberals as having been terminal or steps in the direction of the desired goal.

Rapzid 6y ago

That's a caricature of liberals you'd expect to find being pushed on people to elicit an endorphin response to confirmation bias. > If there is one thing the liberals in the US have very little care about it is preserving freedom You can't spend more than 2 seconds researching modern liberalism without civil liberties coming up.

ur-whale 6y ago
> That's a caricature of liberals you'd expect to find being pushed on people to elicit an endorphin response to confirmation bias. Funny :D >You can't spend more than 2 seconds researching modern liberalism without civil liberties coming up. Civil liberties != individual freedom They actually are more often than not antinomic.

bdcravens 6y ago

"Patriot" is another term that seems to have mutated in modern US politics.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> The american definition of "liberal" basically means socialist. No, it doesn't. Though it overlaps with a common American use of “socialist” to mean anyone outside of the far-right. Most American “liberals” are center-right corporate capitalists, which is also the narrow sense of “liberal” in much of the world. > In 2020, "liberals" in america have very little to do with the original meaning of the word which meant "in favor of freedom". This is false, and even more than just being liberal in this vague sense, most American “liberals” and a great share of American “conservatives” are adherents to ideologies which evolved fairly directly from 18th century classical liberalism, differing largely in whether they view the immediate goals of 18th century liberals as having been terminal or steps in the direction of the desired goal.