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> Yes, that is what a democratic country is supposed to be like. If india is what a democratic country is supposed to be then it really doesn't say much for d

by disown 6y ago

> Yes, that is what a democratic country is supposed to be like. If india is what a democratic country is supposed to be then it really doesn't say much for democracy does it? Hundreds of millions of indians living without electricity, indoor plumbing and in abject poverty. > Workers have the right to protest. Sure, but the article is talking about riots and attacks. And it's a taiwanese company they are rioting against. The irony. > China's policies of suppression won't work in any place where people have more freedom. "China's policies of suppression". China's policies were copied from japan, korea, singapore, etc who in turned copied from the US. Parrots parroting. > In the end, companies will need to eat the increased costs of working in an environment where people can protest mistreatment and wage slavery. Average indian income $2,130. Average chinese income 10,410. Guessing these indian workers are desperate for that chinese slave wage? https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php > The alternative is bowing to China and letting human rights violations slide for the increase in profits. Or the EU and their human rights violations. The laughable nonsense of human rights has got to stop. Yeah, india should slum it and stay poor just to satisfy virtue signalers. Clearly there is something china did right and india did wrong. Or could it be you just want india to be poor and weak forever? India is young, populous and has such immense potential but it won't reach it's potential trying to appease virtue signalers. It has to look around and see how others rose up and formulate a national strategy. Otherwise, it will stand to waste the potential of 1+ billion people like it has the past 70 years. Since ww2, india has been the greatest disappointment and the greatest source of human suffering. If india would get its act together it would help solve much of the world's poverty and suffering due to its sheer size.

inglor_cz 6y ago
India cannot adopt a centralized authoritarian state in Chinese style even if it wanted to. The country is too diverse for that and would disintegrate instead. This has nothing to do with "virtue signalers"; Indian unity is precarious per se. India will stay a federation, with all the conflict and disunity that being a federation means, but with breathing space for dissent as well.
iliekcomputers 6y ago
I was not virtue signaling, what I meant to say was that both countries have completely different philosophies and values, which will lead to different costs for businesses.
arshbot 6y ago
> doesn't say much for democracy does it? Hundreds of millions of indians living without electricity, indoor plumbing and in abject poverty. Wow what a cherry picked example. I guess being a "democracy" should just magically solve a millennia of colonialism and thousands of years of rigid class hierarchy? And even if it absolutely should, the wealth gap in india is at an all time low due to Reservation policies. > Sure, but the article is talking about riots and attacks. And it's a taiwanese company they are rioting against. The irony. Yes, they haven't been paid for months. In india the workers don't take that sitting down. > "China's policies of suppression". China's policies were copied from japan, korea, singapore, etc who in turned copied from the US. Parrots parroting. Interesting, I never saw nets along the company housing in japan/us preventing workers from killing themselves, nor have I heard of american workers sneaking letters in products begging for help. Also, I love how you're equating humans rights with "virtue signalling". Spoken exactly like a privelaged fool who doesn't understand the value of right, yet deems them unworthy for others.
- disown 6y ago
  > Wow what a cherry picked example Cherrypicked? How is electricity, indoor plumbing and abject poverty cherrypicking? Those are the basic necessities of modern life. It's almost 2021. > I guess being a "democracy" should just magically solve a millennia of colonialism and thousands of years of rigid class hierarchy? Except that china also had the exact same issues. In many respect, china had it worse than india when it came to colonialism. Yet look at china and look at india. > And even if it absolutely should, the wealth gap in india is at an all time low due to Reservation policies. Talk about cherrypicked. Who cares about wealth gap when you don't have electricity? > Interesting, I never saw nets along the company housing in japan/us preventing workers from killing themselves, Once again, that's foxconn. A taiwanese company and a major supplier for japanese and american tech goods. > nor have I heard of american workers sneaking letters in products begging for help. You mean the silly propaganda you hear every 10 years? Ever wonder what becomes of those stories? > Also, I love how you're equating humans rights with "virtue signalling". No. I equate hypocritical virtue signaling about human rights as "virtue signaling". Never mind that we benefit from chinese "slave labor", we have been murdering millions of people world wide. We cause more human suffering than the chinese in the name of "human rights". > Spoken exactly like a privelaged fool who doesn't understand the value of right, yet deems them unworthy for others. I guess I am privileged since I've always had electricity. Something millions of indians sadly do not. So virtue signal about democracy and human rights some more like hundreds of millions live without electricity, plumbing and food in india. After ww2, both india and china were in the same position. 70 years later, india has fallen behind considerably leading to immense human suffering. Instead of focusing on that, hypocritical virtue signalers whine about nonsense.
intended 6y ago
> japan, korea, singapore All of which are democracies, and were dominant and stable with strong institutions. India would also do fine if it was happy to build its institutions, which it was doing piecemeal. I mean people forget that the main reasons any of those countries work is because the rule of law to support contracts works. In this case, if there was any rule of law, a firm reneging on their salary promises would have to deal with a speedy trial all the way to resolution.
- disown 6y ago
  > All of which are democracies, and were dominant and stable with strong institutions. They were authoritarian when they developed their economy though. You could still argue that singapore is still somewhat authoritarian. Democracy had nothing to do with japan, korea, singapore, taiwan, etc getting wealthy. Actually, in regards to korea and taiwan, they curtailed democracy to develop their economies. Democracy was an impediment to their economic development.
  - intended 6y ago
    Theres a recent video on the print where the speaker recounts the ambassador of Japan directly speaking up during an event and pointing out that Japan got to where it did because of its democratic behavior. Democracy has everything to do with those countries getting better, since a democracy works by building institutions and business models for the non authoritarian world depend on working institutions.

by disown 6y ago

inglor_cz 6y ago

India cannot adopt a centralized authoritarian state in Chinese style even if it wanted to. The country is too diverse for that and would disintegrate instead. This has nothing to do with "virtue signalers"; Indian unity is precarious per se. India will stay a federation, with all the conflict and disunity that being a federation means, but with breathing space for dissent as well.

iliekcomputers 6y ago

I was not virtue signaling, what I meant to say was that both countries have completely different philosophies and values, which will lead to different costs for businesses.

arshbot 6y ago

> doesn't say much for democracy does it? Hundreds of millions of indians living without electricity, indoor plumbing and in abject poverty. Wow what a cherry picked example. I guess being a "democracy" should just magically solve a millennia of colonialism and thousands of years of rigid class hierarchy? And even if it absolutely should, the wealth gap in india is at an all time low due to Reservation policies. > Sure, but the article is talking about riots and attacks. And it's a taiwanese company they are rioting against. The irony. Yes, they haven't been paid for months. In india the workers don't take that sitting down. > "China's policies of suppression". China's policies were copied from japan, korea, singapore, etc who in turned copied from the US. Parrots parroting. Interesting, I never saw nets along the company housing in japan/us preventing workers from killing themselves, nor have I heard of american workers sneaking letters in products begging for help. Also, I love how you're equating humans rights with "virtue signalling". Spoken exactly like a privelaged fool who doesn't understand the value of right, yet deems them unworthy for others.

disown 6y ago
> Wow what a cherry picked example Cherrypicked? How is electricity, indoor plumbing and abject poverty cherrypicking? Those are the basic necessities of modern life. It's almost 2021. > I guess being a "democracy" should just magically solve a millennia of colonialism and thousands of years of rigid class hierarchy? Except that china also had the exact same issues. In many respect, china had it worse than india when it came to colonialism. Yet look at china and look at india. > And even if it absolutely should, the wealth gap in india is at an all time low due to Reservation policies. Talk about cherrypicked. Who cares about wealth gap when you don't have electricity? > Interesting, I never saw nets along the company housing in japan/us preventing workers from killing themselves, Once again, that's foxconn. A taiwanese company and a major supplier for japanese and american tech goods. > nor have I heard of american workers sneaking letters in products begging for help. You mean the silly propaganda you hear every 10 years? Ever wonder what becomes of those stories? > Also, I love how you're equating humans rights with "virtue signalling". No. I equate hypocritical virtue signaling about human rights as "virtue signaling". Never mind that we benefit from chinese "slave labor", we have been murdering millions of people world wide. We cause more human suffering than the chinese in the name of "human rights". > Spoken exactly like a privelaged fool who doesn't understand the value of right, yet deems them unworthy for others. I guess I am privileged since I've always had electricity. Something millions of indians sadly do not. So virtue signal about democracy and human rights some more like hundreds of millions live without electricity, plumbing and food in india. After ww2, both india and china were in the same position. 70 years later, india has fallen behind considerably leading to immense human suffering. Instead of focusing on that, hypocritical virtue signalers whine about nonsense.

intended 6y ago

> japan, korea, singapore All of which are democracies, and were dominant and stable with strong institutions. India would also do fine if it was happy to build its institutions, which it was doing piecemeal. I mean people forget that the main reasons any of those countries work is because the rule of law to support contracts works. In this case, if there was any rule of law, a firm reneging on their salary promises would have to deal with a speedy trial all the way to resolution.

disown 6y ago
> All of which are democracies, and were dominant and stable with strong institutions. They were authoritarian when they developed their economy though. You could still argue that singapore is still somewhat authoritarian. Democracy had nothing to do with japan, korea, singapore, taiwan, etc getting wealthy. Actually, in regards to korea and taiwan, they curtailed democracy to develop their economies. Democracy was an impediment to their economic development.
- intended 6y ago
  Theres a recent video on the print where the speaker recounts the ambassador of Japan directly speaking up during an event and pointing out that Japan got to where it did because of its democratic behavior. Democracy has everything to do with those countries getting better, since a democracy works by building institutions and business models for the non authoritarian world depend on working institutions.