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Race is important because people tend to support more punitive policies against transgressors of other races[1]. The demographics and the history of racial tens

Race is important because people tend to support more punitive policies against transgressors of other races[1]. The demographics and the history of racial tension in the U.S. means that resistance to the Norwegian criminal justice model go far beyond considerations of cost. [1] https://nicic.gov/race-and-punishment-racial-perceptions-crime-and-support-punitive-policies https://nicic.gov/race-and-punishment-racial-perceptions-cri...

FruityCoconut 6y ago
There's also the significant disparity in criminality across races, as many other Western countries are discovering the hard way now too with the recent acute increase in diversity. Sociologists can argue until they're blue in the face about why that is (and I'm sure everyone reading this has their view) but it's a fact of which the Norwegians perhaps have the privilege of relative ignorance compared to the historically diverse USA.
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- Privacy846 6y ago
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- colejohnson66 6y ago
  Is there actually a disparity in crime? Or just a reported one? If police believe blacks are more likely to commit crimes, they pay more attention to them and the cycle repeats.
  - MikeUt 6y ago
    That's why the homicide rate is used for such comparisons. It's unaffected by overpolicing, and can't be swept under the rug either.
  - FruityCoconut 6y ago
    FBI crime stats are a great source. For example, of murders in 2019, "Black or African American" accounted for 51% of murderers of known race (despite just 13.4% of the general population being black). https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... Less formally, and I'm quite serious, if you have the stomach for it I encourage you to explore the types of websites that inadvertently document these trends through amateur video (WorldStarHipHop being the classic example, but there are more confronting ones).
- hackinthebochs 6y ago
  But crime rates do not by themselves entail retributive or punitive punishments. Because some demographic has high crime rates says nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitative policies. People simply are more likely to have a punitive stance when the offender is of a different race.
- dang 6y ago
  Between this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25368536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25368536 and other posts, it's clear that you're doing race war and that's not allowed on HN. I've banned this account.

FruityCoconut 6y ago

There's also the significant disparity in criminality across races, as many other Western countries are discovering the hard way now too with the recent acute increase in diversity. Sociologists can argue until they're blue in the face about why that is (and I'm sure everyone reading this has their view) but it's a fact of which the Norwegians perhaps have the privilege of relative ignorance compared to the historically diverse USA.

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Privacy846 6y ago
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colejohnson66 6y ago
Is there actually a disparity in crime? Or just a reported one? If police believe blacks are more likely to commit crimes, they pay more attention to them and the cycle repeats.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  That's why the homicide rate is used for such comparisons. It's unaffected by overpolicing, and can't be swept under the rug either.
- FruityCoconut 6y ago
  FBI crime stats are a great source. For example, of murders in 2019, "Black or African American" accounted for 51% of murderers of known race (despite just 13.4% of the general population being black). https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... Less formally, and I'm quite serious, if you have the stomach for it I encourage you to explore the types of websites that inadvertently document these trends through amateur video (WorldStarHipHop being the classic example, but there are more confronting ones).
hackinthebochs 6y ago
But crime rates do not by themselves entail retributive or punitive punishments. Because some demographic has high crime rates says nothing about the effectiveness of rehabilitative policies. People simply are more likely to have a punitive stance when the offender is of a different race.
dang 6y ago
Between this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25368536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25368536 and other posts, it's clear that you're doing race war and that's not allowed on HN. I've banned this account.