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I always found it a bit confusing why US citizens don’t just get their degrees in EU, should cost much less.

est31 6y ago
Graduating from an american university gives you an american network. This can become quite useful later in life if you want to spend your career in america. Building the network later on is still possible but harder.
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  This network only matters if you went to Ivy League or similar schools. Networking with your average person in a state or random private college is the same as networking with someone you meet at a Meetup.
  - est31 6y ago
    Sure, ivy leauge etc gives you the best contact networks, and this is probably what distinguishes it most from the non ivies that still offer good education, but even your non-ivy-leauge peers go end up having careers, and can open doors for you. Indeed you can also hang out at meetups but I feel like you'll have a harder time.
  - topkai22 6y ago
    This isn’t correct in a wide variety of circumstances. The top end of schools have networking opportunities that are in a league of its own, but school based networking/affiliation remains important regionally, especially for large state universities. I’ve definitely known instances where the deciding factor for someone in a hiring situation was they went to the same university as the boss (decades apart), and the regional alumni networks of some of these universities can be influential. Now it’s true the further down the prestige chain you go the less it matters, but saying that networking via meetups Birmingham is equivalent to the network you’d get via having gone to U. Alabama or Auburn seems unlikely.
    - runawaybottle 6y ago
      Yeah, so in a sense, I reject once removed nepotism in the pursuit of the merictocracy,
      - topkai22 6y ago
        You think that Ivys don’t work the same way, or worse?
        runawaybottle 6y ago
        Oh, they are demonically worse.
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R0b0t1 6y ago
You need the money upfront. Admissions requirements will be harder to meet. Teaching quality may be lower, leading to less retention and lower grades. The first is the real killer. You can't use financial aid. You could maybe use a private loan, but I am not aware of anyone giving those out for foreign schooling.
- leipert 6y ago
  Why do you need the money upfront? If you move here on a student visa, you are also able to work here and support yourself financially. Also most fees are payed on a half-year Basis, Students have Access to cheap housing. For example the city I live in (Leipzig) has yearly Uni fees of ~500 EUR, monthly lodging for ~300 EUR. Assuming you work weekends, you can easily earn ~800 EUR per month which gives you enough wiggle room to eat at the Uni canteen (price per meal 2-5 EUR, heavily subsidized by the state). In the study breaks you are able to work more. Edit: University Leipzig lists [0] the following costs of living on "average" per month: 231 EUR lodging; 140 EUR food; 50 EUR clothing, cosmetics; 45 EUR ISP, mobile, netflix; 50 EUR partying; 35 EUR misc; 30 EUR books & materials; 40 EUR for fees and local transport => 621 EUR month [0]: https://www.leipzig-studieren.de/studium-organisieren/was-kostet-das-studium/ https://www.leipzig-studieren.de/studium-organisieren/was-ko...
  - yorwba 6y ago
    To get a student visa for Germany, you need to prove that you have at least 10k euros to cover your living expenses for one year: https://www.study-in-germany.de/en/plan-your-studies/requirements/proof-of-financial-resources_27533.php https://www.study-in-germany.de/en/plan-your-studies/require... Also, students from most countries are not allowed to work more than 120 full (8-hour) days per year: https://www.daad.de/en/study-and-research-in-germany/first-steps-germany/side-jobs/ https://www.daad.de/en/study-and-research-in-germany/first-s... If you can find a job that pays significantly more than minimum wage, that's not going to be much of an issue, but otherwise you might have to control your spending very carefully.
    - hef19898 6y ago
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Graduating from an american university gives you an american network. This can become quite useful later in life if you want to spend your career in america. Building the network later on is still possible but harder.

runawaybottle 6y ago
This network only matters if you went to Ivy League or similar schools. Networking with your average person in a state or random private college is the same as networking with someone you meet at a Meetup.
- est31 6y ago
  Sure, ivy leauge etc gives you the best contact networks, and this is probably what distinguishes it most from the non ivies that still offer good education, but even your non-ivy-leauge peers go end up having careers, and can open doors for you. Indeed you can also hang out at meetups but I feel like you'll have a harder time.
- topkai22 6y ago
  This isn’t correct in a wide variety of circumstances. The top end of schools have networking opportunities that are in a league of its own, but school based networking/affiliation remains important regionally, especially for large state universities. I’ve definitely known instances where the deciding factor for someone in a hiring situation was they went to the same university as the boss (decades apart), and the regional alumni networks of some of these universities can be influential. Now it’s true the further down the prestige chain you go the less it matters, but saying that networking via meetups Birmingham is equivalent to the network you’d get via having gone to U. Alabama or Auburn seems unlikely.
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    Yeah, so in a sense, I reject once removed nepotism in the pursuit of the merictocracy,
    - topkai22 6y ago
      You think that Ivys don’t work the same way, or worse?
      - runawaybottle 6y ago
        Oh, they are demonically worse.
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R0b0t1 6y ago

You need the money upfront. Admissions requirements will be harder to meet. Teaching quality may be lower, leading to less retention and lower grades. The first is the real killer. You can't use financial aid. You could maybe use a private loan, but I am not aware of anyone giving those out for foreign schooling.

leipert 6y ago
Why do you need the money upfront? If you move here on a student visa, you are also able to work here and support yourself financially. Also most fees are payed on a half-year Basis, Students have Access to cheap housing. For example the city I live in (Leipzig) has yearly Uni fees of ~500 EUR, monthly lodging for ~300 EUR. Assuming you work weekends, you can easily earn ~800 EUR per month which gives you enough wiggle room to eat at the Uni canteen (price per meal 2-5 EUR, heavily subsidized by the state). In the study breaks you are able to work more. Edit: University Leipzig lists [0] the following costs of living on "average" per month: 231 EUR lodging; 140 EUR food; 50 EUR clothing, cosmetics; 45 EUR ISP, mobile, netflix; 50 EUR partying; 35 EUR misc; 30 EUR books & materials; 40 EUR for fees and local transport => 621 EUR month [0]: https://www.leipzig-studieren.de/studium-organisieren/was-kostet-das-studium/ https://www.leipzig-studieren.de/studium-organisieren/was-ko...
- yorwba 6y ago
  To get a student visa for Germany, you need to prove that you have at least 10k euros to cover your living expenses for one year: https://www.study-in-germany.de/en/plan-your-studies/requirements/proof-of-financial-resources_27533.php https://www.study-in-germany.de/en/plan-your-studies/require... Also, students from most countries are not allowed to work more than 120 full (8-hour) days per year: https://www.daad.de/en/study-and-research-in-germany/first-steps-germany/side-jobs/ https://www.daad.de/en/study-and-research-in-germany/first-s... If you can find a job that pays significantly more than minimum wage, that's not going to be much of an issue, but otherwise you might have to control your spending very carefully.
  - hef19898 6y ago

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