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I'm not clear what your position is, but what does it say about one, in one can only see the tyranny in a book but not be able to see it in real life?

pjc50 6y ago
That it's not there or at least looks radically different?
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Well, the part about Airstrip One having always been part of Oceania is due to hit at the end of the year... (although I guess we still don't know exactly how, yet)
ukj 6y ago
I am able to see both Orwell’s tyranny AND Huxley’s tyranny. If I frame all dysfunctional human interactions through the lens of “tyranny” then I see “tyranny” everywhere. That is how all confirmation biases works. That is why they are all uninteresting. Falsifying one’s own biases is much more fun... The world today is less tyrannical (as per Orwell’s concept) than it was when he was alive. Only when you ignore all moral progress do you get to paint contemporary society with Orwell’s brush.
- mistermann 6y ago
  Might there be some confirmation bias at work here?
  - ukj 6y ago
    Might you be responding to half of my post?
    - mistermann 6y ago
      Of course ("some")! The question stands.
      - ukj 6y ago
        It stands indeed. It stands a few lines below the answer.
        mistermann 6y ago
        The answer being...?
        ukj 6y ago
        >Falsifying one’s own biases is much more fun... Meaning... Looking for evidence AGAINST the very thing you've convinced yourself of.
        mistermann 6y ago
        It seems we agree after all. My mind was attracted to this particular idea: "That is why they are all uninteresting." I happen to believe that confirmation biases (and their various relatives) are infinitely interesting, and also that there is infinite value in understanding them and their systemic consequences. The irony(?) of the situation is that finding even one individual who shares this belief is exceptionally rare, and I have been through an extremely broad spectrum of communities. This also seems rather interesting as well.

pjc50 6y ago

That it's not there or at least looks radically different?

082349872349872 6y ago
Well, the part about Airstrip One having always been part of Oceania is due to hit at the end of the year... (although I guess we still don't know exactly how, yet)

ukj 6y ago

I am able to see both Orwell’s tyranny AND Huxley’s tyranny. If I frame all dysfunctional human interactions through the lens of “tyranny” then I see “tyranny” everywhere. That is how all confirmation biases works. That is why they are all uninteresting. Falsifying one’s own biases is much more fun... The world today is less tyrannical (as per Orwell’s concept) than it was when he was alive. Only when you ignore all moral progress do you get to paint contemporary society with Orwell’s brush.

mistermann 6y ago
Might there be some confirmation bias at work here?
- ukj 6y ago
  Might you be responding to half of my post?
  - mistermann 6y ago
    Of course ("some")! The question stands.
    - ukj 6y ago
      It stands indeed. It stands a few lines below the answer.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        The answer being...?
        ukj 6y ago
        >Falsifying one’s own biases is much more fun... Meaning... Looking for evidence AGAINST the very thing you've convinced yourself of.
        mistermann 6y ago
        It seems we agree after all. My mind was attracted to this particular idea: "That is why they are all uninteresting." I happen to believe that confirmation biases (and their various relatives) are infinitely interesting, and also that there is infinite value in understanding them and their systemic consequences. The irony(?) of the situation is that finding even one individual who shares this belief is exceptionally rare, and I have been through an extremely broad spectrum of communities. This also seems rather interesting as well.