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'Beyond that, if you don't want to get a fine, don't speed.' Seems odd to me that Govt's struggle to raise revenue via normal taxes when they have a large pool

by dazc 6y ago

'Beyond that, if you don't want to get a fine, don't speed.' Seems odd to me that Govt's struggle to raise revenue via normal taxes when they have a large pool of stupid people they could raise extra money from? Maybe making a regualr speeding fine a life changing amount rather than the negligable sum it is now would improve people's behaviour, raise some much needed revenue and save a few lives too?

forest_dweller 6y ago
> Maybe making a regualr speeding fine a life changing amount rather than the negligable sum it is now would improve people's behaviour, raise some much needed revenue and save a few lives too The fine is negligible if you are well off. It isn't if you aren't. If you get points (for SP-30), the increase in insurance is about £300-400. So the actual cost of the fine is closer to £400-500 which is the rent for the month. There has already been talk of making the fine be adjusted to how much you earn.
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago
  Accumulating enough points results in suspension of your licence, it's not only about insurance costs.
  - forest_dweller 6y ago
    Not always. There are quite a few drivers with more than 12 points on the road. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40862975 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40862975 I personally am aware of many people that were speeding at well over 100mph. When they went to the majestrate they were let off with 6 points. People get away with things that should get them a suspension all the time.
DanBC 6y ago
> Seems odd to me that Govt's struggle to raise revenue via normal taxes when they have a large pool of stupid people they could raise extra money from? Extracting money from drivers was one of the causes of community tension in Fergusson. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pqskm https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pqskm > Are excessive traffic fines and debtors' jails fuelling community tensions in suburban Missouri? Claire Bolderson reports on a network of ninety separate cities in St Louis County, most of which have their own courts and police forces. Critics say that their size makes them financially unviable and allege that some of them boost their incomes by fining their own citizens and locking them up when they can't pay.
bobthepanda 6y ago
At least in NYC, the experience has been that you don't need extremely punitive fines to see the improvement in behavior. NYC generally saw revenues decline after the initial installment of more cameras as drivers adjusted behavior: https://bklyner.com/revenue-camera-enforcement-nyc-sheepshead-bay/ https://bklyner.com/revenue-camera-enforcement-nyc-sheepshea... The fine is only $50.

by dazc 6y ago

forest_dweller 6y ago

> Maybe making a regualr speeding fine a life changing amount rather than the negligable sum it is now would improve people's behaviour, raise some much needed revenue and save a few lives too The fine is negligible if you are well off. It isn't if you aren't. If you get points (for SP-30), the increase in insurance is about £300-400. So the actual cost of the fine is closer to £400-500 which is the rent for the month. There has already been talk of making the fine be adjusted to how much you earn.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago
Accumulating enough points results in suspension of your licence, it's not only about insurance costs.
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  Not always. There are quite a few drivers with more than 12 points on the road. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40862975 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40862975 I personally am aware of many people that were speeding at well over 100mph. When they went to the majestrate they were let off with 6 points. People get away with things that should get them a suspension all the time.

DanBC 6y ago

> Seems odd to me that Govt's struggle to raise revenue via normal taxes when they have a large pool of stupid people they could raise extra money from? Extracting money from drivers was one of the causes of community tension in Fergusson. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pqskm https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05pqskm > Are excessive traffic fines and debtors' jails fuelling community tensions in suburban Missouri? Claire Bolderson reports on a network of ninety separate cities in St Louis County, most of which have their own courts and police forces. Critics say that their size makes them financially unviable and allege that some of them boost their incomes by fining their own citizens and locking them up when they can't pay.

bobthepanda 6y ago

At least in NYC, the experience has been that you don't need extremely punitive fines to see the improvement in behavior. NYC generally saw revenues decline after the initial installment of more cameras as drivers adjusted behavior: https://bklyner.com/revenue-camera-enforcement-nyc-sheepshead-bay/ https://bklyner.com/revenue-camera-enforcement-nyc-sheepshea... The fine is only $50.