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Cordless phones were more "fun" to scan since it was generally your neighbours you heard just because of the range of those things. Also baby monitors were (and

Cordless phones were more "fun" to scan since it was generally your neighbours you heard just because of the range of those things. Also baby monitors were (and probably still are) wide open. Literally a 24/7 mic broadcasting for anyone to listen to. Pagers were also easy to listen to. You'd get short messages without context. A lot were office to doctor or dispatch to tradesperson.

breput 6y ago
As a person who also did this, I feel like it has encouraged my suspicion of communication privacy. All it takes is listening to your married neighbor talking to their boyfriend/girlfriend to realize that someone could be doing it to you. The difference now is that it doesn't have to be within a 150 foot radius.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Now, not only does someone not need to be actively listening, they don't even need to save the audio. Just convert it to text, keep it indexed and whatever three letter agency is doing the tapping has an easily searchable record of your communications should they ever feel the need to look into you without you knowing.
  - sterlind 6y ago
    Converting to text loses data and will fail on unexpected languages or accents. It's better to use a specialized voice codec, which can have fantastically high compression rates, or just keep the (already annoyingly-companded) 8kbit voice stream around in its entirety. It's pretty small.
    - pessimizer 6y ago
      You convert it to text in order to index it. If it becomes interesting in the future, you listen to the audio (maybe after getting permission from a judge in a secret court.).
    - nezgar 6y ago
      You must mean 8Khz - which results in a 64kbps stream. (8000 bytes per second) The companding was actually a very good use of 8 bits per sample for voice, introducing little artifacts except at high amplitudes and the low pass filter. Nowadays I find it ridiculous mobile networks feel it's still necessary to compress the audio further - 64Kbps is nothing on modern mobile networks, ie VoLTE etc... WB-AMR is definitely an improvement with it's 16Khz sample rate and a bitrate lower than that of G.711, but mostly not supported between different mobile carriers...
  - supertrope 6y ago
    Recording all calls is well within the financial and material means of the US Government. http://blog.archive.org/2013/06/15/cost-to-store-all-us-phonecalls-made-in-a-year-in-cloud-storage-so-it-could-be-datamined/ http://blog.archive.org/2013/06/15/cost-to-store-all-us-phon...
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      I agree. The convert to text part was about indexing the content of the calls for easy searching. I bring it up because speech recognition has become so commoditized that most of us could think of a way to whip up an, albeit bad, solution to this problem using AWS/GCP/etc in a weekend.
- Wistar 6y ago
  Many years ago, I worked for a guy who regularly monitored mobile phone frequencies and recorded conversations. He wrote screenplays and used the recordings for dialog study. At least that was what he claimed.
giantg2 6y ago
Some baby monitors are using "encryption". I don't know if they are actually using encryption or just privacy codes. Even if they are using encryption, I doubt it's very secure stuff (probably 8 bit or something).
- barrkel 6y ago
  Our baby monitor uses DECT - it's basically a cordless telephone. While I wouldn't expect it to be encrypted to any significant degree, in most cases a baby monitor is either broadcasting silence with a little background room noise, or it's turned off. Once a monitor starts broadcasting noise, a parent intervenes.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Some of them are even VOX so that it's not continuously transmitting. I think the concern (fun for the scanner) was that if people leave the monitor on all the time and then have a conversation in that room.

breput 6y ago

As a person who also did this, I feel like it has encouraged my suspicion of communication privacy. All it takes is listening to your married neighbor talking to their boyfriend/girlfriend to realize that someone could be doing it to you. The difference now is that it doesn't have to be within a 150 foot radius.

heavyset_go 6y ago
Now, not only does someone not need to be actively listening, they don't even need to save the audio. Just convert it to text, keep it indexed and whatever three letter agency is doing the tapping has an easily searchable record of your communications should they ever feel the need to look into you without you knowing.
- sterlind 6y ago
  Converting to text loses data and will fail on unexpected languages or accents. It's better to use a specialized voice codec, which can have fantastically high compression rates, or just keep the (already annoyingly-companded) 8kbit voice stream around in its entirety. It's pretty small.
  - pessimizer 6y ago
    You convert it to text in order to index it. If it becomes interesting in the future, you listen to the audio (maybe after getting permission from a judge in a secret court.).
  - nezgar 6y ago
    You must mean 8Khz - which results in a 64kbps stream. (8000 bytes per second) The companding was actually a very good use of 8 bits per sample for voice, introducing little artifacts except at high amplitudes and the low pass filter. Nowadays I find it ridiculous mobile networks feel it's still necessary to compress the audio further - 64Kbps is nothing on modern mobile networks, ie VoLTE etc... WB-AMR is definitely an improvement with it's 16Khz sample rate and a bitrate lower than that of G.711, but mostly not supported between different mobile carriers...
- supertrope 6y ago
  Recording all calls is well within the financial and material means of the US Government. http://blog.archive.org/2013/06/15/cost-to-store-all-us-phonecalls-made-in-a-year-in-cloud-storage-so-it-could-be-datamined/ http://blog.archive.org/2013/06/15/cost-to-store-all-us-phon...
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    I agree. The convert to text part was about indexing the content of the calls for easy searching. I bring it up because speech recognition has become so commoditized that most of us could think of a way to whip up an, albeit bad, solution to this problem using AWS/GCP/etc in a weekend.
Wistar 6y ago
Many years ago, I worked for a guy who regularly monitored mobile phone frequencies and recorded conversations. He wrote screenplays and used the recordings for dialog study. At least that was what he claimed.

giantg2 6y ago

Some baby monitors are using "encryption". I don't know if they are actually using encryption or just privacy codes. Even if they are using encryption, I doubt it's very secure stuff (probably 8 bit or something).

barrkel 6y ago
Our baby monitor uses DECT - it's basically a cordless telephone. While I wouldn't expect it to be encrypted to any significant degree, in most cases a baby monitor is either broadcasting silence with a little background room noise, or it's turned off. Once a monitor starts broadcasting noise, a parent intervenes.
- giantg2 6y ago
  Some of them are even VOX so that it's not continuously transmitting. I think the concern (fun for the scanner) was that if people leave the monitor on all the time and then have a conversation in that room.