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Ubuntu 11.10 To Switch From GDM To LightDM
- count 15y agoDoes LightDM have all the support GDM does for non-user/password login capabilities, warning banners, etc?
- crocowhile 15y agoPAM is the standard and it doesn't get more secure, flexible and expandable than PAM. LightDM is PAM compliant so I am not expecting any trouble.
- count 15y agoPAM is the standard, yes, but the DM has to support different PAM features (such as smart-card login).
- Vitaly 15y agoI think idea is not to have the most feature-full offering in existence but to have something that does the job for most people and let others change if needed to something more power-full.
- akent 15y agoSurely GDM will still be available as a package though...? If so, does the choice of default login manager really matter?
- IgorPartola 15y agoUbuntu is all about the ease of use. How do you explain to your non-technical wife, for example, what a login manager is, what it does and why you'd want a better, lighter one? I like this change. I wish they'd switch away from Gnome entirely and go with something like XFCE by default. I want my DE to take up as little resources as possible out of the box.
- crocowhile 15y agoActually the difference in performance/resources between a very light WM and gnome is not that big nowadays. On my 4 years old netbook I run compiz stand alone as WM and I am not getting any slower than xfwm or openbox
- bad_user 15y agoPersonally, I hate XFCE - it's like an interface pulled from 1995. Desktops evolved since then.
- jpr 15y agoYes they have evolved. Not necessarily for the better IMHO.
- joshfinnie 15y agoUnfortunately, there are too many standard programs out there that need Gnome to run. I can't see Ubuntu using XFCE but still requiring Gnome installed; for newbies that would not be worth the effort. XFCE has a steeper learning curve than Gnome for people coming from Windows.
- riffraff 15y agodoes this still apply with gnome3? it does not seem very close to a windows experience to me.
- razzmataz 15y agoIn some of the performance comparisons with Gnome, XFCE ends up consuming almost as many resources as Gnome. That's one of the reasons Lubuntu came into existence.
- andrewvc 15y agoSounds right, but I doubt that's true with compiz
- StavrosK 15y agoDefaults are what 99% of people use, luckily Ubuntu allows you to change the defaults as easily as "apt-get install gdm".
- nodata 15y agoIt's fantastic that Ubuntu is pushing to improve stuff, but it worries me the amount of old stable code they are ripping out.
- mgunes 15y agoGDM is not a good example of "old stable code" that's being ripped out on the initiative of Ubuntu, since it has recently seen a rewrite upstream, among the reasons for which was bit rot.
- pdelgallego 15y agoI think this is the path that Ubuntu should follow, replace current pieces of software with lighter and smaller solutions. You can always replace them with more advances packages through apt-get.
- ldng 15y agoUnity doesn't strikes me as particularly light ... I am not sure pissing off core GNOME developers with its ever changing new directions is going to help them in the long run. On the other hand I might be proved wrong if while increase its user base Ubuntu manage to convert some of them in core durable developer. IMHO, then it's not GNOME anymore. It's a new desktop akin to XFCE as they diverge more and more. It was foreseeable, especially in light of previous two year that's what was going to happen. Time will tell.
- balac 15y agoI'm glad they are deviating from core GNOME as they seem to have more focused art direction and better usability in general, for me Ubuntu is a much smoother and more pleasant Linux experience than any other distro for this reason.
- ldng 15y agoGood for them, as long as they don't FUD on GNOME. Better usability ? I don't think so, I remember being orce fed the first version of message indactor with Gwibber, Pidgin and Evolution were 3 entries of the same menu behaving totally differently and unconsistently. Unity feels quite raw and bulky. I don't think my dad will search it's application by their exact names. INMHO, the Gnome-Shell menu is much better in that it let you see you apps a people familiar with any recent smartphone won't by lost. I can't say the same for Unity main menu.
- drivebyacct2 15y agoQuite frankly, who cares? I'm tired of the GNOME release plans: remove features, make GTK+ controls bulkier than ever. It's like they're trying to ensure that the same amount of stuff fits on a screen despite increased screen resolution. I'm happy to see the role Compiz is taking on. A recent rewrite that cleaned things up, replacing more and more window management tasks, support for non-accelerated backends. I'd love to see Compiz's wallpaper plugin mature and replace nautilus for the task. (It'd also allow for the global menu to not be awkward when the wallpaper has focus and for multiple wallpapers on different workspaces). Though frankly I'd love to see nautilus die in a fire anyway.
- soofaloofa 15y agoI love the Ubuntu team's willingness to move the platform forward. Even if that means making controversial decisions.
- steevdave 15y agoI'm not quite sure how changing the login manager counts as a controversial decision unless you were meaning just the unity issue. The login manager has one main job and really shouldn't be a huge convoluted mess of code (from experience GDM is). I'm excited about this change although I've never heard of lightdm until this story.
- trafficlight 15y agoReading through the other comments on this post tells me that there is definitely some controversy over this.
- phaylon 15y agoI'm wondering if this means I'll have to jump through hoops again to not have everybody know what usernames are available on my computer.
- rbanffy 15y agoNow would be a great time to file that feature request. LightDM folks have about 6 months to get it fixed (that is, if it's broken)
- phaylon 15y agoDoes that mean it doesn't support hiding usernames yet? I'm still trying to figure that out.
- oozcitak 15y agoDid you try setting load-users=false under [UserManager] in /etc/lightdm.conf?
- phaylon 15y agoI didn't install anything yet. I just googled for it to find out if it will be possible, since that was a rather large hassle during the last switch, and just recently got fixed and is now available as a checkbox option in the preferences. I found lots of articles and developer resources, but haven't found the documentation for it on the web yet. I assume that will change as exposure increases.
- rbanffy 15y agoYou can check. I installed lightdm in a couple minutes. Auto-login didn't work (it was on a shared desktop), there was some terminal keyboard weirdness and I reverted the change. Running "dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" allowed me to easily revert back to gdm.
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- motters 15y agoIt looks as if Ubuntu is making good progress on the user interface, despite the current apparent loss of functionality with Unity. Having well designed and user friendly features is only one part of the equation though. To really gain popularity they will need to be able to persuade hardware manufacturers to ship with Ubuntu installed by default, or at least as a dual boot option. So far this has proven difficult to achieve, and it's hard to buy such a system via any common distribution channel, such as supermarkets.
- steevdave 15y agoPart of this has to do with the cost of Ubuntu. I'm not talking paying developers to make sure it works on the machine, but the actual cost that Canonical charges for the ability to use the Ubuntu logo and becoming "certified"; It's not a trivial amount of money by any stretch. Anyone can preinstall Ubuntu on a machine and release it, they just can't say it is Ubuntu specifically or use the logos. And I don't advocate not paying it or not becoming certified, we are considering it currently but I can say that management has balked a few times when we've brought it up has been due to the amount of money required up front.
- ez77 15y agoWho are considering becoming certified?
- steevdave 15y agoThe company I work for. We are a fairly small ODM, and while I don't want to say our name I'm not hard to find on the Internet, and I know I bragged about getting my job (I get paid to work on Linux, still can't believe my luck)
- 18pfsmt 15y agoI imagine the concern on Canonical's part is that they will field a significant part of the support flood from new users. Of course, the OEM/ ODM will probably get the bulk of support traffic (with some falling on the retailer), the "pilot" from the netbook/ubuntu probably gave them insight. If they structure the deal correctly, and have an auditable way for the ODM and Canonical to determine the support costs/ unit sold that could be a way to get the deal done. Tell those business coworkers of yours to keep iterating on the deal they are presenting Canonical. I can't believe there's not an equitable way to get that deal done.
- sciurus 15y agoThe blueprint (how features are proposed for ubuntu) is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-lightdm https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-ligh...
- makmanalp 15y agoWhile it looks like Ubuntu is throwing caution in the wind in many respects, I like that this is bringing attention to overlooked projects and attempting to clean up some old messes.
- tga 15y agoUbuntu choosing a different default display manager is hardly newsworthy, would you seriously discuss Windows or OS X swapping some code behind the login window? I would be more interested in hearing about Canonical putting lots of thought and their weight behind an improved desktop experience developed independently of the current looks and functionality of Windows, especially since for the moment they are the GNU-Linux-on-the-desktop company.
- tree_of_item 15y agoIt's newsworthy when that code is part of the open source community, there are political implications of the switch, and Ubuntu is part of a larger effort to get more people to use GNU/Linux.
- kijinbear 15y agoI hated it when Ubuntu switched from Gnome to Unity by default, but I like this move away from GDM. If there's one thing in Ubuntu that's less customizable (in terms of look-and-feel) than Unity, it's GDM.
- known 15y agoI like mingetty http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-546544.html http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-546544.html
- ldng 15y agoMatthew Garrett opinion on the matter : http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary/296.html http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary/296.html