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One point of note is that the prediction of "users in banned communities will just take their hate elsewhere" did strike true. Users either left reddit to take

by dafoex 6y ago

One point of note is that the prediction of "users in banned communities will just take their hate elsewhere" did strike true. Users either left reddit to take their views to other websites, or moved to either directly related or tangentially related subs. While I don't think this is an excuse to not stand up against bad behaviour, it very much proves that this is akin to shooing criminals away from your town to terrorise another. But I don't think that's a problem. You'll never rid the world of viciously tribal behaviour, so your only hope is to herd the perpetrators away to a location where their actions will bother as few people as possible.

leereeves 6y ago
Reddit certainly hasn't rid itself of viciously tribal behavior; it's more tribal and toxic than ever. But that toxicity is directed at people the reddit administration doesn't like, and at people who've been driven away from reddit, so you may be right that fewer people are bothered now, but only because the separation from people with other opinions has become so wide that people who disagree no longer hear each other.
- shredprez 6y ago
  I haven’t followed the Reddit situation closely, who are the victims of Reddit leadership’s disapproval? I’m sympathetic to that second point, but I don’t know if I agree isolation is what’s driving the gap in understanding. The tone of disagreement has veered heavily toward saber-rattling in the last decade, which predictably encourages opponents to embrace more extreme positions in an ideological arms race. It doesn’t take long for that mechanic to generate a chasm of understanding or respect, since reversing it would require one side to “disarm” in hopes their opponent would do the same and meet them in the middle. The trust just isn’t there and so the chasm continues to grow, further eroding trust along the way.
belltaco 6y ago
Not exactly true, since the posters themselves thrive on attention and reaching more ppl. For example /r/fatpeoplehate's equivalent at Voat eventually became far less active than it was on Reddit where it was reaching /r/all a lot and gaining new viewers, commenters, posters etc.

by dafoex 6y ago

leereeves 6y ago

Reddit certainly hasn't rid itself of viciously tribal behavior; it's more tribal and toxic than ever. But that toxicity is directed at people the reddit administration doesn't like, and at people who've been driven away from reddit, so you may be right that fewer people are bothered now, but only because the separation from people with other opinions has become so wide that people who disagree no longer hear each other.

shredprez 6y ago
I haven’t followed the Reddit situation closely, who are the victims of Reddit leadership’s disapproval? I’m sympathetic to that second point, but I don’t know if I agree isolation is what’s driving the gap in understanding. The tone of disagreement has veered heavily toward saber-rattling in the last decade, which predictably encourages opponents to embrace more extreme positions in an ideological arms race. It doesn’t take long for that mechanic to generate a chasm of understanding or respect, since reversing it would require one side to “disarm” in hopes their opponent would do the same and meet them in the middle. The trust just isn’t there and so the chasm continues to grow, further eroding trust along the way.

belltaco 6y ago

Not exactly true, since the posters themselves thrive on attention and reaching more ppl. For example /r/fatpeoplehate's equivalent at Voat eventually became far less active than it was on Reddit where it was reaching /r/all a lot and gaining new viewers, commenters, posters etc.