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I have the opposite problem. I'm a former mobile game engineer at an RoR shop, and decided to go the freelance route, recently. However, I have no idea where to

I have the opposite problem. I'm a former mobile game engineer at an RoR shop, and decided to go the freelance route, recently. However, I have no idea where to start. I initially went to the sites listed above, but eh...every job had hundreds of bids offering absurd rates (no, you are not going to build a Facebook clone for $200 dollars in 10 days). Anyone have any tips on how to find clients who understand the market and are willing to pay for quality work?

Sodaware 15y ago
My first freelance gig came from oDesk a couple of years ago, and since then I've gone on to freelance full time. I'm not an expert on the subject by any stretch, but this is the best advice I can give: * Don't try and compete on price. A lot of freelancers on the site can go lower, and you'll end up broke. Besides, if a client is more interested in saving a few dollars than paying for a decent worker, you're saving yourself a lot of future pain. * When you apply for something, say what you'll do and give a rough idea of how you'll solve their problem. It only has to be a few paragraphs, but you'll have put more thought in than 99% of other applicants. * Look for jobs that mention an ongoing relationship. This usually means they have a lot more work and want to try things out. All of my work now comes from referrals which in some way originate from the first job I did on oDesk. It was discouraging when I was rejected for jobs despite putting in the effort, but the work paid off in the end. Best of luck!
- mootothemax 15y ago
  Don't try and compete on price. Agreed, it's a game that you're not going to win. I found that even if a client said "No way, that's my limit," they'd often come back a day later asking me to work for the original amount of money I'd quoted. I recently blogged about how I got started freelancing here: http://tbbuck.com/winning-your-first-freelance-job-on-vworker-how-i-got-started/ http://tbbuck.com/winning-your-first-freelance-job-on-vworke...
- nolite 15y ago
  Do you (and others) still rely mostly on these sites now, or have you moved beyond that completely? If you have, how long did it take?
  - Sodaware 15y ago
    I was extremely fortunate in that my first job on oDesk led to everything else. One thing I would recommend is looking for potential clients that need help with blogs, especially in a non-technical field. If they're at the point where they're paying for help, they probably have a good network of friends they can refer you to if you do a good job.
- jlmendezbonini 15y ago
  I really like your approach, obvious but it didn't cross my mind before. Using the freelancing sites to bootstrap yourself but aiming towards long-term relationships and referrals. Two questions though: 1. Can you share what you do as a freelancer? 2. You are not longer active on oDesk or any other freelance sites then?
  - Sodaware 15y ago
    1. I started doing custom blog plugins, but have also done e-commerce sites, Facebook apps and custom web applications. I'm a coder, not a designer, but that hasn't caused any problems for me so far. 2. Haven't touched oDesk since my first job there. I might use it again in the future, but to be honest I found searching for work there rather depressing with all the low rates.
- wonderyak 15y ago
  "Don't try and compete on price." This is very good advice. We've been using Odesk for about 5 years now for overflow and large projects. From the buyer side of things, communication is key. If you can communicate well and promptly it will go a long way towards instilling confidence in the buyer. For buyers just going to Odesk for the first time, expect to be bitten in the ass a few times. All of the knowledge in the world isn't going to save you from having a developer half a world away bail on you for no reason. Look for freelancers that are a part of a group, as a whole they are more responsible than single freelancers.

Sodaware 15y ago

My first freelance gig came from oDesk a couple of years ago, and since then I've gone on to freelance full time. I'm not an expert on the subject by any stretch, but this is the best advice I can give: * Don't try and compete on price. A lot of freelancers on the site can go lower, and you'll end up broke. Besides, if a client is more interested in saving a few dollars than paying for a decent worker, you're saving yourself a lot of future pain. * When you apply for something, say what you'll do and give a rough idea of how you'll solve their problem. It only has to be a few paragraphs, but you'll have put more thought in than 99% of other applicants. * Look for jobs that mention an ongoing relationship. This usually means they have a lot more work and want to try things out. All of my work now comes from referrals which in some way originate from the first job I did on oDesk. It was discouraging when I was rejected for jobs despite putting in the effort, but the work paid off in the end. Best of luck!

mootothemax 15y ago
Don't try and compete on price. Agreed, it's a game that you're not going to win. I found that even if a client said "No way, that's my limit," they'd often come back a day later asking me to work for the original amount of money I'd quoted. I recently blogged about how I got started freelancing here: http://tbbuck.com/winning-your-first-freelance-job-on-vworker-how-i-got-started/ http://tbbuck.com/winning-your-first-freelance-job-on-vworke...
nolite 15y ago
Do you (and others) still rely mostly on these sites now, or have you moved beyond that completely? If you have, how long did it take?
- Sodaware 15y ago
  I was extremely fortunate in that my first job on oDesk led to everything else. One thing I would recommend is looking for potential clients that need help with blogs, especially in a non-technical field. If they're at the point where they're paying for help, they probably have a good network of friends they can refer you to if you do a good job.
jlmendezbonini 15y ago
I really like your approach, obvious but it didn't cross my mind before. Using the freelancing sites to bootstrap yourself but aiming towards long-term relationships and referrals. Two questions though: 1. Can you share what you do as a freelancer? 2. You are not longer active on oDesk or any other freelance sites then?
- Sodaware 15y ago
  1. I started doing custom blog plugins, but have also done e-commerce sites, Facebook apps and custom web applications. I'm a coder, not a designer, but that hasn't caused any problems for me so far. 2. Haven't touched oDesk since my first job there. I might use it again in the future, but to be honest I found searching for work there rather depressing with all the low rates.
wonderyak 15y ago
"Don't try and compete on price." This is very good advice. We've been using Odesk for about 5 years now for overflow and large projects. From the buyer side of things, communication is key. If you can communicate well and promptly it will go a long way towards instilling confidence in the buyer. For buyers just going to Odesk for the first time, expect to be bitten in the ass a few times. All of the knowledge in the world isn't going to save you from having a developer half a world away bail on you for no reason. Look for freelancers that are a part of a group, as a whole they are more responsible than single freelancers.