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Unfortunately, the problem with seeing white supremacy is that in doing so, we create white supremacy.

essayist 6y ago
I can choose to see (or not) that the prisoner being walked down the street is shackled. And maybe there are some good reasons for choosing not to see. But it seems the beginning of sanity for that prisoner, herself, to see her chains.
adamsea 6y ago
[EDIT: Every statement here is a basic fact, easily verifiable and backed by reputable scholarship and reaearch. Controversy comes from peoples dislike of the implication of these facts, not the truthfulness of the statements themselves. TBH I think downvoters should be ashamed of themselves. Or, better educate themselves.] What? No. White supremacy is literally a cop murdering a man by pressing his knee on the guys neck until he dies, with the cops buddies standing by and watching. White supremacy is Ahmad Arbery being murdered while jogging because he was black: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/ahmaud-arbery-attacker-used-racial-slur-after-shooting-jogger-court-hears https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202... White supremacy is the crack epidemic being treated primarily like a criminal issue in the 80s, and the opioid epidemic today being treated primarily like a health issue. Why? Because the crack epidemic primarily effected black people, and the opioid epidemic white people. White supremacy is racist housing policies where Black people can’t get loans: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/03/chicago-segregation-poverty/556649/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/03/chicago... https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-rac... I understand the discomfort, confusion, and frustration that can arise when talking about racism and white supremacy, and there certainly are plenty of people who don’t express themselves in the most palatable way about it or who also believe things that may not be true. But white supremacy is a real thing and if you take fifteen minutes online and look at wikipedia, and the articles I shared (in particular The Atlantic ones), then you’ll see that it’s real, it’s a thing. And at that point it’s then not a question of what anybody sees, but rather what you yourself choose to accept.
- cambalache 6y ago
  > White supremacy is literally a cop murdering a man by pressing his knee on the guys neck until he dies, with the cops buddies standing by and watching That is not white supremacy until you prove he did it because the victim was black and not because other reasons (like him being a bully cop). So under that criteria any white person killed by a black person was victim of black supremacy. A better example of white supremacy is white people in liberal cities taking over the BLM movement and making all about themselves.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    > A better example of white supremacy is white people in liberal cities taking over the BLM movement and making all about themselves. Sounds like Earnestness
    - adamsea 6y ago
      You must be from Europe or something ;)
  - adamsea 6y ago
    [EDIT: tl;dr is if a bully cop targets someone black because they know they can get away with it because the person is black, not white, that's still an example of white supremacy / systemic racism in action.] No. Fuck off, seriously. Do you actually believe that about the murder of George Floyd? Do you actually think that cop would have behaved that way if George Floyd was white? What you said only makes any sense in a fantasy world where you simply ignore the facts of police violence over the last several decades. Or maybe you’re ignorant, i.e. uneducated, in which case I would encourage you to read more and better material on the subject.

I can choose to see (or not) that the prisoner being walked down the street is shackled. And maybe there are some good reasons for choosing not to see. But it seems the beginning of sanity for that prisoner, herself, to see her chains.

adamsea 6y ago

[EDIT: Every statement here is a basic fact, easily verifiable and backed by reputable scholarship and reaearch. Controversy comes from peoples dislike of the implication of these facts, not the truthfulness of the statements themselves. TBH I think downvoters should be ashamed of themselves. Or, better educate themselves.] What? No. White supremacy is literally a cop murdering a man by pressing his knee on the guys neck until he dies, with the cops buddies standing by and watching. White supremacy is Ahmad Arbery being murdered while jogging because he was black: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/ahmaud-arbery-attacker-used-racial-slur-after-shooting-jogger-court-hears https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202... White supremacy is the crack epidemic being treated primarily like a criminal issue in the 80s, and the opioid epidemic today being treated primarily like a health issue. Why? Because the crack epidemic primarily effected black people, and the opioid epidemic white people. White supremacy is racist housing policies where Black people can’t get loans: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/03/chicago-segregation-poverty/556649/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/03/chicago... https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-rac... I understand the discomfort, confusion, and frustration that can arise when talking about racism and white supremacy, and there certainly are plenty of people who don’t express themselves in the most palatable way about it or who also believe things that may not be true. But white supremacy is a real thing and if you take fifteen minutes online and look at wikipedia, and the articles I shared (in particular The Atlantic ones), then you’ll see that it’s real, it’s a thing. And at that point it’s then not a question of what anybody sees, but rather what you yourself choose to accept.

cambalache 6y ago
> White supremacy is literally a cop murdering a man by pressing his knee on the guys neck until he dies, with the cops buddies standing by and watching That is not white supremacy until you prove he did it because the victim was black and not because other reasons (like him being a bully cop). So under that criteria any white person killed by a black person was victim of black supremacy. A better example of white supremacy is white people in liberal cities taking over the BLM movement and making all about themselves.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  > A better example of white supremacy is white people in liberal cities taking over the BLM movement and making all about themselves. Sounds like Earnestness
  - adamsea 6y ago
    You must be from Europe or something ;)
- adamsea 6y ago
  [EDIT: tl;dr is if a bully cop targets someone black because they know they can get away with it because the person is black, not white, that's still an example of white supremacy / systemic racism in action.] No. Fuck off, seriously. Do you actually believe that about the murder of George Floyd? Do you actually think that cop would have behaved that way if George Floyd was white? What you said only makes any sense in a fantasy world where you simply ignore the facts of police violence over the last several decades. Or maybe you’re ignorant, i.e. uneducated, in which case I would encourage you to read more and better material on the subject.