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I'm naturally concerned about this because my brother in law has a regular, ongoing streaming music show/channel on Twitch with live and pre-recorded bands (mos

I'm naturally concerned about this because my brother in law has a regular, ongoing streaming music show/channel on Twitch with live and pre-recorded bands (most of them local to the SF bay area). He's putting a lot of effort into it: professional-level sound engineering and lighting (his day job is a recording engineer/producer and, pre-covid, stage lighting engineer), multiple camera shoots with dollys and booms and an experienced volunteer crew. He of course is aware of Twitch's trigger-happy approach to DMCA and so one of the requirements is that bands play only original music they own the copyright to. So far so good, but I fear one day the algorithm is going to have a false positive, or someone busts out a spontaneous Happy Birthday, and then his channel suddenly goes dark, and all that hard work gets tanked.

gverrilla 6y ago
he should stop working for such a tyrant
zamalek 6y ago
It's pretty easy, supposedly, to set up streaming to both platforms. He should do so and make the alternative known to his viewers.
- jimmydorry 6y ago
  To get partnered (and really start earning on twitch), you have to forgo that opportunity via twitch exclusivity.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
He really should, so to speak, spread his risk; there's multiple streaming and video platforms, and unless he got paid a ton of money to become exclusive to Twitch he is under no obligation to be exclusive to Twitch. I mean I know he'll get the biggest audience via Twitch but it's a big risk to bet everything on one proverbial horse.
013a 6y ago
I can't speak for why Herman Li, or any other musician, would be banned for DMCA. But, its my understanding that Twitch pays for a live performance license from the major music publishers to enable musicians to stream on their platform [1]. Of course, this didn't work for Herman Li, but I think it at least speaks to their long-term goals for the platform. Additionally, while they say to never play recorded music on stream, unless from a source where the copyrights are taken care of, their specific recommendations even in this "clarification" post are very opaque. Never play recorded music on stream, unless you own all the rights, but you probably don't, if you're not sure turn off your VODs. None of that is consistent with some overarching idea of why people get DMCA'd; would I get DMCA'd for playing recorded music live, but not having VODs? I would guess even Twitch doesn't know; its outside of their control. In short, music on Twitch is REALLY risky, primarily because their rights enforcement is so immature. Its akin to them wildly shooting in the air with a machine gun. YouTube's Content ID is a bit more mature and predictable, so diversifying there may be a good idea. [1] https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/11/11/music-related-copyright-claims-and-twitch/ https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/11/11/music-related-copyright...

gverrilla 6y ago

he should stop working for such a tyrant

zamalek 6y ago

It's pretty easy, supposedly, to set up streaming to both platforms. He should do so and make the alternative known to his viewers.

jimmydorry 6y ago
To get partnered (and really start earning on twitch), you have to forgo that opportunity via twitch exclusivity.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

He really should, so to speak, spread his risk; there's multiple streaming and video platforms, and unless he got paid a ton of money to become exclusive to Twitch he is under no obligation to be exclusive to Twitch. I mean I know he'll get the biggest audience via Twitch but it's a big risk to bet everything on one proverbial horse.

013a 6y ago

I can't speak for why Herman Li, or any other musician, would be banned for DMCA. But, its my understanding that Twitch pays for a live performance license from the major music publishers to enable musicians to stream on their platform [1]. Of course, this didn't work for Herman Li, but I think it at least speaks to their long-term goals for the platform. Additionally, while they say to never play recorded music on stream, unless from a source where the copyrights are taken care of, their specific recommendations even in this "clarification" post are very opaque. Never play recorded music on stream, unless you own all the rights, but you probably don't, if you're not sure turn off your VODs. None of that is consistent with some overarching idea of why people get DMCA'd; would I get DMCA'd for playing recorded music live, but not having VODs? I would guess even Twitch doesn't know; its outside of their control. In short, music on Twitch is REALLY risky, primarily because their rights enforcement is so immature. Its akin to them wildly shooting in the air with a machine gun. YouTube's Content ID is a bit more mature and predictable, so diversifying there may be a good idea. [1] https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/11/11/music-related-copyright-claims-and-twitch/ https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/11/11/music-related-copyright...