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I very much like Path of Exile because it goes against this grain. The vast majority of MTX items in that game are cosmetic, adding new skins to armour, new sk

I very much like Path of Exile because it goes against this grain. The vast majority of MTX items in that game are cosmetic, adding new skins to armour, new skill VFX, etc. Some of the MTX is different in that you can purchase more stash tabs (though you get quite a few for free already) but it very much feels like ethical MTX, in as much as this kind of thing can be ethical. https://www.pathofexile.com/shop https://www.pathofexile.com/shop

nottorp 6y ago
Yeah, and those items aren't obtainable (or very hard to obtain) via game play :) It affected the game's design.
- iamacyborg 6y ago
  Sure, they're impossible to obtain via normal gameplay, but they have no tangible bearing on gameplay either.
  - nottorp 6y ago
    That's debatable. Check out Guild Wars 1 skin collectors. There is no such thing in Guild Wars 2 because there are very few skins obtainable from gameplay, and the rest are in the IAP store. If you're the hypercompetitive type yeah, I guess you don't care. Except you could be competing for the largest skin collection... In any case, a lot of people do care.
    - pndy 6y ago
      There's tons of skins obtainable in GW2 from gameplay; some pop from regular loot you get - the very basic ones, for some you need a little bit of engagement like dungeon, fractal, raid sets, (there are also pvp sets) or sets added within Living Story updates. There are rare skins you can get from mystic forge, or if you're lucky juggling unidentified gear loot. The really exclusive ones would be legendary weapons and gemstore special offers - the latter you can still obtain via gold to gems exchange. Then there are unique cosmetic items like Queen Bee, Liquid Aurillium, Chak and Confetti indusions and Invisible Boots skin. Path of Exile and GW2 seems to be sharing microtransactions model - both include account/character upgrades, convenience items and additional more appealing skins. Not sure about PoE but GW2 still allows you to exchange in-game currency for shop currency / gems to gold at I'd say fair rate.
      - nottorp 6y ago
        Allows me to... lose interest. I played GW1 for years. Prepaid 2 GW2 accounts (was playing with the family). Lost interest in a few months because of the insane grinding for everything (in GW1 the only insane grind was the forge armor if you forgot) and the in my face gem store.
        pndy 6y ago
        I'm just stating how things are, not trying to convince you to play GW2.
hnick 6y ago
Stash tabs are pretty much required for serious play though I tend to see this as a free trial with an upgrade to a paid game. The investment is reasonable, and more investment isn't necessarily Pay to Win (More). Though there is a meme in the community that when a popular skill gets MTX, it's nerfed next league. They made their sale, and it's time to bring a different skill to the forefront to make way for new MTX. There's definitely a risk of this kind of monetary incentive tainting game design choices.

nottorp 6y ago

Yeah, and those items aren't obtainable (or very hard to obtain) via game play :) It affected the game's design.

iamacyborg 6y ago
Sure, they're impossible to obtain via normal gameplay, but they have no tangible bearing on gameplay either.
- nottorp 6y ago
  That's debatable. Check out Guild Wars 1 skin collectors. There is no such thing in Guild Wars 2 because there are very few skins obtainable from gameplay, and the rest are in the IAP store. If you're the hypercompetitive type yeah, I guess you don't care. Except you could be competing for the largest skin collection... In any case, a lot of people do care.
  - pndy 6y ago
    There's tons of skins obtainable in GW2 from gameplay; some pop from regular loot you get - the very basic ones, for some you need a little bit of engagement like dungeon, fractal, raid sets, (there are also pvp sets) or sets added within Living Story updates. There are rare skins you can get from mystic forge, or if you're lucky juggling unidentified gear loot. The really exclusive ones would be legendary weapons and gemstore special offers - the latter you can still obtain via gold to gems exchange. Then there are unique cosmetic items like Queen Bee, Liquid Aurillium, Chak and Confetti indusions and Invisible Boots skin. Path of Exile and GW2 seems to be sharing microtransactions model - both include account/character upgrades, convenience items and additional more appealing skins. Not sure about PoE but GW2 still allows you to exchange in-game currency for shop currency / gems to gold at I'd say fair rate.
    - nottorp 6y ago
      Allows me to... lose interest. I played GW1 for years. Prepaid 2 GW2 accounts (was playing with the family). Lost interest in a few months because of the insane grinding for everything (in GW1 the only insane grind was the forge armor if you forgot) and the in my face gem store.
      - pndy 6y ago
        I'm just stating how things are, not trying to convince you to play GW2.

hnick 6y ago

Stash tabs are pretty much required for serious play though I tend to see this as a free trial with an upgrade to a paid game. The investment is reasonable, and more investment isn't necessarily Pay to Win (More). Though there is a meme in the community that when a popular skill gets MTX, it's nerfed next league. They made their sale, and it's time to bring a different skill to the forefront to make way for new MTX. There's definitely a risk of this kind of monetary incentive tainting game design choices.