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Interesting premise. But why doesn’t anyone look at the bigger elephant in the room? Sometime in April 2019, reports of a mysterious illness started surfacing.
by blackrock 6y ago
Interesting premise. But why doesn’t anyone look at the bigger elephant in the room?
Sometime in April 2019, reports of a mysterious illness started surfacing. They thought it was related to vaping products. [1]
Then in July 2019, a respiratory illness hit a retirement home in Virginia, and killed a bunch of old people. [2]
Then the Wuhan military games was in mid October 2019.
Then China reported of an unknown pneumonia in early December. They thought it came from a seafood market, which was proven incorrect.
The western world harassed them and accused them of eating bats, and transmitting the disease, which is also proven to be incorrect.
China then back-traced the earliest case to mid November. Which happens to coincide a few weeks after the Wuhan military games. Just the right amount of time for the virus to incubate and wreck havoc.
New evidence is suggesting that the virus was in Italy before it was in China. [3]
But the interesting thing, is that when they took MRI scans of the vaping outbreak patients, they saw white orbs in the picture in their lungs. Coincidentally, Covid-19 victims also had these white orbs in their lungs.
The whole origin of this virus was always very mysterious. Something just never seemed right about it.
The vaping thing just came and disappeared. Nobody really knows what caused it, just a few random theories about contaminated cartridges. But here’s the strange thing. Those vaping pens, are all made in China. And are sold all over the world. People in China uses those vaping pens everywhere, but there were no reports of a mysterious illness from it in China. Only in the United States and a few in Canada. Not even Europe reported any issues.
Why was it reported only in the United States? Then soon after, all the other pieces began to fall into place, one after the other.
To get down to the true origin of this virus, then they need to check those vaping people. Check them for the Covid-19 antibodies.
Then check the nursing home people from Virginia, for those that survived, for Covid-19 antibodies.
Then check the people that went to the Wuhan military games for Covid-19 antibodies.
Or not. And just conveniently blame China for being the origin of the virus, just because they were the first ones to detect it, and report it.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_vaping_lung_illness_outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_vaping_lung_...
[2] https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-commun...
[3] https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/italian-study-suggesting-covid-predates-china-outbreak-sparks-scepticism-idUKL8N2I351V https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-tim...
- rswail 6y agoThe vaping issue was related to Vitamin E in THC vaping and was not related to vaping in general. The Vitamin E was being vaporized and inhaled directly into the lungs, which caused the problems. Inhalation of Vitamin E into the lungs is a known cause of lung disease symptoms. See https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/s... There's no evidence that EVALI is related to COVID-19 or SARS-cov-2. The vaping "thing" hasn't just come and disappeared. The CDC has stopped reporting on it. See https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30360-X/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2... So that correlation is not causation, EVALI is not COVID-19. EVALI is not related to the vaping pens or where they originated. The disease was reported where people were using THC cartridges that were diluted with Vitamin E, which is primarily the US.
- therealx 6y agoI know vitamine E acetate is a scourage in the vaping community, but I was under the impression that outbreak was a distincly different thing, at a different time. Although the uninteresting answer is often true, I do dislike that people refuse to entertain anything remotely fringe. Some of the declassified CIA documents stated that they intentionally furthered this attitude as much as they could, as it allowed them to make many of thier projects dissappear. What is the most promising theory of origin? A 5-10min search didn't help. The lab theory is of course the most fun, but not the most probable. The fact that they were working on similar diseases, the lab was newish, and the country itself isn't exactly well known for IP security make me not discredit it as fast as I normally would. The animal->human route via food (or less likely, bites/other contamination) seems to be most likely. It's happened plenty of times in the past, and given the SES level of the area and cultural norms, it could have definitely happened. The rest of the ideas seem like a long tail where all of them have fairly obvious "gotchas" that make typing them out a waste, but I'd love to hear what other people think.
- Lucasoato 6y ago> And just conveniently blame China for being the origin of the virus, just because they were the first ones to detect it, and report it. This is false, China has actively denied the existence of the virus until it was too late. The scientist who discovered it could have been a new kind of virus was blackmailed and threatened. The numbers China released were mostly false.