I think the other thing is retirement, I'd live a much more radical existence and take business risks if I didn't have to worry about being homeless when I'm 60

I think the other thing is retirement, I'd live a much more radical existence and take business risks if I didn't have to worry about being homeless when I'm 60 if things don't work out. Maybe these things are related because the CEO too has the same concerns. We don't live in a society that favors innovation, we live in a society that's cutthroat.