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It's over. The country belongs to the people of the United States as it was intended to be. December 14th is coming and nothing will stop it now.

by ohiovr 6y ago

ilamont 6y ago
There is a team of lawyers and politicians still trying to exploit every loophole and legal hack in the books, including the joint session to formally declare the winner: There remains one last-ditch chance for electoral votes to be tossed. On January 6, the Senate and the House will convene to count the electoral votes and officially declare the winner of the election. The joint session of Congress is required by law to ratify presidential results, but also allows "members to object to the returns from any individual state as they are announced," according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS). Procedure calls for Vice President Pence to open each state's "certificate of ascertainment" — documents prepared by the state after it has completed its vote count and ascertained the official results. He will then present the certificate to four "tellers," who announce result tallies. Once a candidate reaches 270 electoral college votes, Pence will declare the winner. Lawmakers may object to the results — even if it's not their home state — leaving the door open for representatives who support Mr. Trump's unproven claims of widespread election fraud to interrupt the typically ceremonial process. According to a Washington Post survey, only 25 congressional Republicans have acknowledged President-elect Biden's victory. And 222 Republicans — in the House and Senate — will not say who won the election. Some may lodge their objections during the January 6 session. Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks has already said he would challenge Georgia and Pennsylvania's results, claiming flawed election systems, Politico first reported. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-election-results-trump-challenge/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-...
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  Expanding on that "last-ditch chance" a little more, if an objection is raised during the joint session of Congress, there are then votes held in the House and Senate separately to decide whether to reject the electoral votes that are in question. Unless both chambers agree, the electoral votes remain valid and must be tallied. At least that's my non-expert understanding from reading 3 U.S. Code § 15: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15
  - smashmore 6y ago
    With the escalation of conflict between the two parties, this feels like it will backfire at some point without revision.
- ohiovr 6y ago
  Nothing short of plucking out the 3 horns of the government will prevent the regular logical constitutional succession of the country's executive. And putting his little horn in it's place...
  - krapp 6y ago
    Bear in mind that one of the options being considered is suspending the Constitution and declaring martial law, as suggested by retired Army General Michael Flynn, Scott Grady and leaders of the Tea Party. And of course, thanks to the Second Amendment, civil war is always an option. These are lunatic options but we appear to be living in lunatic times.
    - dane-pgp 6y ago
      I can't help wondering if Biden shouldn't take these lunatics up on their offer. The US armed forces would probably follow his orders and be able to win Civil War 2.0 in very little time, with probably less than 1000 Americans losing their lives (so a lower body count than that attributable to Trump's mishandling of Covid). A line needs to be drawn between people who support the peaceful transition of power, and those that support violence and armed intimidation of civilian election officials. If Biden doesn't settle that during his first term, he risks 2020 being the last free election that the country has.
      - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
        > "The US armed forces would probably follow his orders and be able to win Civil War 2.0 in very little time, with probably less than 1000 Americans losing their lives ." Are you willing to bet your future on that? Seems like a bad gamble to me. "In a poll released this week, 52 percent of veterans said they would vote for President Trump, while 42 percent backed former Vice President Joe Biden. ... In 2016, Trump was favored by 60 percent of veterans who voted, according to exit polling." https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/oct/29/veterans-usually-vote-strongly-republican-polls-su/ https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/oct/29/veterans-usually-vote-...
- kthejoker2 6y ago
  I have a serious question I want to ask all of these supposedly serious men and women: What if you get what you want and this comes to pass? A purely political coup, in America, with no findings of fact in any court of law. The dog that caught the car. How will we continue as a nation if this comes to pass? How will you, knowing in good conscience no legitimate fraud has occurred, claim to represent the people when you have discarded the votes of 80 million people?
  - knaq 6y ago
    Uh, well, I don't know that. Let me turn it around for you: How will we continue as a nation if this comes to pass? How will you, knowing in good conscience that fraud changed the results, claim to represent the people when you have discarded the votes of 80 million people? You are presuming that your opponents knowingly commit evil. They feel exactly the same about you.
    - kthejoker2 6y ago
      "In good conscience" is not just "I wish it to be true"; it also means you're satisfied by the evidence presented, and the arguments against it have been weighted.
      - knaq 6y ago
        Sure. Many millions of Americans are satisfied by the evidence presented, and the arguments against it have been weighted. They believe that an illegitimately elected person is about to seize power. They believe that you are gleefully dancing on the grave of democracy. They are wondering "How will we continue as a nation if this comes to pass?" right now. They'd like a fix for this nation-destroying injustice.
        rootusrootus 6y ago
        So you are basically answering the original question with "yes." Half the citizens in America have lost confidence in the electoral process, which is tantamount to saying that the nation is already doomed. A lot of us are hoping that a significant number of Republican voters know the truth and are just playing hardball politics. That would be distasteful, but less alarming.
93po 6y ago
Pretty sure the people didn't want a war monger with credible rape allegations against him that touches children too much. We got the candidate that billionaires who control the media wanted.
- krapp 6y ago
  You don't want to go into "credible rape allegations" defending Donald Trump, of all people[0]. Also, there is no credible evidence, and there are certainly no legal allegations, that Joe Biden is a pedophile. That's literally just a right-wing meme based on him looking kind of creepy in pictures and on video. As far as being a warmonger... that may be fair. Unfortunately, Trumpists lose any moral high ground with Biden trotting out shit like him being a creepy touchy old man, or him being senile, or other obvious nonsense like Hunter Biden's laptop. They just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks because it worked once with Hillary Clinton. But then, Trump assassinated Qassem Soleimani, bragged about operations against ISIS and Syria, and has never backed down from threatening to use the military against anyone, like North Korea. I mean, he even tried to use the military against civilians in Portland. Hardly a dove. A dove doesn't increase the military's budget every year and add carriers to the fleet while cutting domestic health and education programs. Second, yes, the people did want him. Joe Biden got more votes than Obama. More votes than any Presidential candidate in history. People voted for him despite historic attempts at voter suppression and disenfranchisement by the Republican Party. People voted for him in the midst of a pandemic. That's how hard Trump lost. Cope with it. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct...
  - 93po 6y ago
    It's possible to both be glad trump lost but also sad biden won

It's over. The country belongs to the people of the United States as it was intended to be. December 14th is coming and nothing will stop it now.

by ohiovr 6y ago

It's over. The country belongs to the people of the United States as it was intended to be. December 14th is coming and nothing will stop it now.

ilamont 6y ago

There is a team of lawyers and politicians still trying to exploit every loophole and legal hack in the books, including the joint session to formally declare the winner: There remains one last-ditch chance for electoral votes to be tossed. On January 6, the Senate and the House will convene to count the electoral votes and officially declare the winner of the election. The joint session of Congress is required by law to ratify presidential results, but also allows "members to object to the returns from any individual state as they are announced," according to the Congressional Research Service (CRS). Procedure calls for Vice President Pence to open each state's "certificate of ascertainment" — documents prepared by the state after it has completed its vote count and ascertained the official results. He will then present the certificate to four "tellers," who announce result tallies. Once a candidate reaches 270 electoral college votes, Pence will declare the winner. Lawmakers may object to the results — even if it's not their home state — leaving the door open for representatives who support Mr. Trump's unproven claims of widespread election fraud to interrupt the typically ceremonial process. According to a Washington Post survey, only 25 congressional Republicans have acknowledged President-elect Biden's victory. And 222 Republicans — in the House and Senate — will not say who won the election. Some may lodge their objections during the January 6 session. Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks has already said he would challenge Georgia and Pennsylvania's results, claiming flawed election systems, Politico first reported. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-election-results-trump-challenge/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-...

dane-pgp 6y ago
Expanding on that "last-ditch chance" a little more, if an objection is raised during the joint session of Congress, there are then votes held in the House and Senate separately to decide whether to reject the electoral votes that are in question. Unless both chambers agree, the electoral votes remain valid and must be tallied. At least that's my non-expert understanding from reading 3 U.S. Code § 15: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15
- smashmore 6y ago
  With the escalation of conflict between the two parties, this feels like it will backfire at some point without revision.
ohiovr 6y ago
Nothing short of plucking out the 3 horns of the government will prevent the regular logical constitutional succession of the country's executive. And putting his little horn in it's place...
- krapp 6y ago
  Bear in mind that one of the options being considered is suspending the Constitution and declaring martial law, as suggested by retired Army General Michael Flynn, Scott Grady and leaders of the Tea Party. And of course, thanks to the Second Amendment, civil war is always an option. These are lunatic options but we appear to be living in lunatic times.
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    I can't help wondering if Biden shouldn't take these lunatics up on their offer. The US armed forces would probably follow his orders and be able to win Civil War 2.0 in very little time, with probably less than 1000 Americans losing their lives (so a lower body count than that attributable to Trump's mishandling of Covid). A line needs to be drawn between people who support the peaceful transition of power, and those that support violence and armed intimidation of civilian election officials. If Biden doesn't settle that during his first term, he risks 2020 being the last free election that the country has.
    - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
      > "The US armed forces would probably follow his orders and be able to win Civil War 2.0 in very little time, with probably less than 1000 Americans losing their lives ." Are you willing to bet your future on that? Seems like a bad gamble to me. "In a poll released this week, 52 percent of veterans said they would vote for President Trump, while 42 percent backed former Vice President Joe Biden. ... In 2016, Trump was favored by 60 percent of veterans who voted, according to exit polling." https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/oct/29/veterans-usually-vote-strongly-republican-polls-su/ https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/oct/29/veterans-usually-vote-...
kthejoker2 6y ago
I have a serious question I want to ask all of these supposedly serious men and women: What if you get what you want and this comes to pass? A purely political coup, in America, with no findings of fact in any court of law. The dog that caught the car. How will we continue as a nation if this comes to pass? How will you, knowing in good conscience no legitimate fraud has occurred, claim to represent the people when you have discarded the votes of 80 million people?
- knaq 6y ago
  Uh, well, I don't know that. Let me turn it around for you: How will we continue as a nation if this comes to pass? How will you, knowing in good conscience that fraud changed the results, claim to represent the people when you have discarded the votes of 80 million people? You are presuming that your opponents knowingly commit evil. They feel exactly the same about you.
  - kthejoker2 6y ago
    "In good conscience" is not just "I wish it to be true"; it also means you're satisfied by the evidence presented, and the arguments against it have been weighted.
    - knaq 6y ago
      Sure. Many millions of Americans are satisfied by the evidence presented, and the arguments against it have been weighted. They believe that an illegitimately elected person is about to seize power. They believe that you are gleefully dancing on the grave of democracy. They are wondering "How will we continue as a nation if this comes to pass?" right now. They'd like a fix for this nation-destroying injustice.
      - rootusrootus 6y ago
        So you are basically answering the original question with "yes." Half the citizens in America have lost confidence in the electoral process, which is tantamount to saying that the nation is already doomed. A lot of us are hoping that a significant number of Republican voters know the truth and are just playing hardball politics. That would be distasteful, but less alarming.

93po 6y ago

Pretty sure the people didn't want a war monger with credible rape allegations against him that touches children too much. We got the candidate that billionaires who control the media wanted.

krapp 6y ago
You don't want to go into "credible rape allegations" defending Donald Trump, of all people[0]. Also, there is no credible evidence, and there are certainly no legal allegations, that Joe Biden is a pedophile. That's literally just a right-wing meme based on him looking kind of creepy in pictures and on video. As far as being a warmonger... that may be fair. Unfortunately, Trumpists lose any moral high ground with Biden trotting out shit like him being a creepy touchy old man, or him being senile, or other obvious nonsense like Hunter Biden's laptop. They just throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks because it worked once with Hillary Clinton. But then, Trump assassinated Qassem Soleimani, bragged about operations against ISIS and Syria, and has never backed down from threatening to use the military against anyone, like North Korea. I mean, he even tried to use the military against civilians in Portland. Hardly a dove. A dove doesn't increase the military's budget every year and add carriers to the fleet while cutting domestic health and education programs. Second, yes, the people did want him. Joe Biden got more votes than Obama. More votes than any Presidential candidate in history. People voted for him despite historic attempts at voter suppression and disenfranchisement by the Republican Party. People voted for him in the midst of a pandemic. That's how hard Trump lost. Cope with it. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct...
- 93po 6y ago
  It's possible to both be glad trump lost but also sad biden won