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It takes some serious mental acrobatics to read the Mueller report and then somehow think there was a typo in the summary that led to the wrong conclusions. Ma

by kneel 6y ago

It takes some serious mental acrobatics to read the Mueller report and then somehow think there was a typo in the summary that led to the wrong conclusions. Many outside of the US political circus viewed the whole Russiagate affair as a joke, independents who don't have strong adherence to any party can see the farce. Even some of the most ardent journalists who pushed the collusion narrative admitted that they were not practicing real journalism, they called it 'meta-journalism' I'm not joking. They actually said that they don't have time to check facts and counter narratives need to be spun quickly to combat Trump lies... regardless of facts. (Seth Abramson) I really don't blame people for being so twisted on this. It was 3 years of nonstop misinformation blaring from every major news outlet. The CIA/FBI officials leaking to the media as anon sources should have been a clue, but not everyone is keen to this. "If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do read it, you're misinformed." - Twain

triceratops 6y ago
> somehow think there was a typo in the summary that led to the wrong conclusions. Who said anything about a typo? > Many outside of the US political circus viewed the whole Russiagate affair as a joke "Many" is a weasel word. Who? Why does their opinion matter? Do they have subject matter expertise? > Even some of the most ardent journalists More weasel words. What's an "ardent" journalist? > Seth Abramson I don't know who that is, so I had to look him up. He's not a journalist. Wikipedia describes him as a "political columnist". The Atlantic, that bastion of lefty liberalness, called him a "conspiracy theorist".[1] You still haven't addressed my central point. Either the Mueller report is false. Which means saying "the Mueller report says 'No collusion'" is incorrect, but AG Barr tried to say that nonetheless. Or it's true. Which means there quite possibly was collusion and the media attention was warranted. You seem to simultaneously believe that the Mueller report said "No collusion" and that's true (and therefore the media are idiots), but also that Mueller's a liar and can't be trusted. Which is it? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Abramson#Claims_about_President_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Abramson#Claims_about_Pre...
- kneel 6y ago
  Mueller report concluded no collusion. If you can't understand that you've been psyoped pretty hard, might want to reassess how you intake your news.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    "Mueller report concluded no collusion". "Mueller can't be trusted." You said both of these things. Please explain how they can both be true.
    - kneel 6y ago
      >"Mueller can't be trusted." Why would you use quotes when I never said that?
      - triceratops 6y ago
        This is growing tedious. We're just going around in circles now. If you didn't imply "Mueller can't be trusted" what did you mean by this comment where you said "Here's Mueller lying to the world": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25381931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25381931? On the other hand, if you agree that Mueller can be trusted please refer to my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25377886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25377886 I showed how Mueller disagreed in very strong terms about "no collusion" as a conclusion. And how "no collusion" was the lie (Barr's summary letter) spread widely before the truth (the actual report) could come out. You're either a troll arguing in bad faith. In which case, I hope you find better things to do with your life. Or you can't see the logical fallacies in your own worldview, which is a sure sign of being brainwashed by your news sources. In that case, I hope you are able to see the truth one day.
        kneel 6y ago
        You literally made up a quote attributed to me and asked me to defend it, and now have the audacity to accuse me of bad faith trolling? Ok

by kneel 6y ago

triceratops 6y ago

> somehow think there was a typo in the summary that led to the wrong conclusions. Who said anything about a typo? > Many outside of the US political circus viewed the whole Russiagate affair as a joke "Many" is a weasel word. Who? Why does their opinion matter? Do they have subject matter expertise? > Even some of the most ardent journalists More weasel words. What's an "ardent" journalist? > Seth Abramson I don't know who that is, so I had to look him up. He's not a journalist. Wikipedia describes him as a "political columnist". The Atlantic, that bastion of lefty liberalness, called him a "conspiracy theorist".[1] You still haven't addressed my central point. Either the Mueller report is false. Which means saying "the Mueller report says 'No collusion'" is incorrect, but AG Barr tried to say that nonetheless. Or it's true. Which means there quite possibly was collusion and the media attention was warranted. You seem to simultaneously believe that the Mueller report said "No collusion" and that's true (and therefore the media are idiots), but also that Mueller's a liar and can't be trusted. Which is it? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Abramson#Claims_about_President_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Abramson#Claims_about_Pre...

kneel 6y ago
Mueller report concluded no collusion. If you can't understand that you've been psyoped pretty hard, might want to reassess how you intake your news.
- triceratops 6y ago
  "Mueller report concluded no collusion". "Mueller can't be trusted." You said both of these things. Please explain how they can both be true.
  - kneel 6y ago
    >"Mueller can't be trusted." Why would you use quotes when I never said that?
    - triceratops 6y ago
      This is growing tedious. We're just going around in circles now. If you didn't imply "Mueller can't be trusted" what did you mean by this comment where you said "Here's Mueller lying to the world": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25381931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25381931? On the other hand, if you agree that Mueller can be trusted please refer to my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25377886 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25377886 I showed how Mueller disagreed in very strong terms about "no collusion" as a conclusion. And how "no collusion" was the lie (Barr's summary letter) spread widely before the truth (the actual report) could come out. You're either a troll arguing in bad faith. In which case, I hope you find better things to do with your life. Or you can't see the logical fallacies in your own worldview, which is a sure sign of being brainwashed by your news sources. In that case, I hope you are able to see the truth one day.
      - kneel 6y ago
        You literally made up a quote attributed to me and asked me to defend it, and now have the audacity to accuse me of bad faith trolling? Ok