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So your argument is "government bad". I counter with "government good". See how productive this discussion is?

ARandomerDude 6y ago
I think his argument was "government is typically inefficient." is your counterclaim that government is typically efficient?
- mypalmike 6y ago
  My claim is that "government bad" and similar broad brush claims about government are completely lacking in content. But to your point, from sending humans into space to clearing snow off the roads, "government" absolutely destroys the private sector in efficiency and effectiveness for many important things. I'd rather let the CDC work on vaccine distribution protocols than leave it to Taco Bell.
  - bird_monster 6y ago
    > similar broad brush claims about government are completely lacking in content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_respon... Or, specifically: > Due to the slow response to the hurricane, New Orleans's top emergency management official called the effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly desperate city.[10] New Orleans's emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). "This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy", he said. "FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."[10] On COVID: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelyncorley/2020/04/10/us-government-response-to-covid-19-was-slow-but-how-does-it-compare-to-other-countries https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelyncorley/2020/04/10/us-g... I think that two colossal failures are enough to convey a "The government responds inefficiently and generally poorly to significant humanitarian issues". > absolutely destroys the private sector in efficiency and effectiveness for many important things. Maybe. Lots of private sector work is held up specifically _by_ government. > I'd rather let the CDC work on vaccine distribution protocols than leave it to Taco Bell. I mean... I agree. But I never suggested we leave vaccines in the hands of chain businesses. I just pointed out that, historically, the US government botches jobs like this spectacularly. The confidence lots of these comments have in the govt efficiently distributing the vaccinations based on need, to me, is not in line with the realities of the US government wrt issues of public health and safety.
bird_monster 6y ago
As someone else already pointed out, my claim was in fact "government is massively inefficient", with a wealth of evidence to support this claim.
- modmans2nd 6y ago
  I mean....Republicans have spent 40 years breaking government so they can prove themselves correct.

I think his argument was "government is typically inefficient." is your counterclaim that government is typically efficient?

mypalmike 6y ago
My claim is that "government bad" and similar broad brush claims about government are completely lacking in content. But to your point, from sending humans into space to clearing snow off the roads, "government" absolutely destroys the private sector in efficiency and effectiveness for many important things. I'd rather let the CDC work on vaccine distribution protocols than leave it to Taco Bell.
- bird_monster 6y ago
  > similar broad brush claims about government are completely lacking in content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_respon... Or, specifically: > Due to the slow response to the hurricane, New Orleans's top emergency management official called the effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly desperate city.[10] New Orleans's emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). "This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy", he said. "FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."[10] On COVID: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelyncorley/2020/04/10/us-government-response-to-covid-19-was-slow-but-how-does-it-compare-to-other-countries https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelyncorley/2020/04/10/us-g... I think that two colossal failures are enough to convey a "The government responds inefficiently and generally poorly to significant humanitarian issues". > absolutely destroys the private sector in efficiency and effectiveness for many important things. Maybe. Lots of private sector work is held up specifically _by_ government. > I'd rather let the CDC work on vaccine distribution protocols than leave it to Taco Bell. I mean... I agree. But I never suggested we leave vaccines in the hands of chain businesses. I just pointed out that, historically, the US government botches jobs like this spectacularly. The confidence lots of these comments have in the govt efficiently distributing the vaccinations based on need, to me, is not in line with the realities of the US government wrt issues of public health and safety.

bird_monster 6y ago

As someone else already pointed out, my claim was in fact "government is massively inefficient", with a wealth of evidence to support this claim.

modmans2nd 6y ago
I mean....Republicans have spent 40 years breaking government so they can prove themselves correct.