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> You dismissed my concern as "minor inconvenience". I acknowledge that for you its minor but for me its major inconvenience. I did, because your concern is so

by ardy42 6y ago

> You dismissed my concern as "minor inconvenience". I acknowledge that for you its minor but for me its major inconvenience. I did, because your concern is something that should be dismissed. The hypothetical drunk driver I mentioned earlier almost certainly has similar rationalizations for his irresponsible behavior, too. But no one is swayed by his insistence that not driving drunk would have caused "major inconvenience" to him. Refusing to wear a mask in this environment is like deciding to drive drunk. Don't be like a drunk driver, be a responsible person.

matz1 6y ago
Likewise don't be suprised when other people can also simply dismissed your concern. No, the different is the risk of not wearing mask way way lower than drunk driving.
- Shared404 6y ago
  About 1.5 times as many people died of Covid in the last seven days than people who died due to drunk driving in 2016. Drunk driving may be more dangerous to the individual, but not all wearing masks appears to be doing much more damage. For context, the number of covid related deaths over the past week are equivalent to 5.47 times the number of people killed in 9/11. These numbers don't include those who survive but suffer from lasting effects caused by covid. Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fmotorvehiclesafety%2Fimpaired_driving%2Fimpaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/im... https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast... Edit: Add Drunk ... 9/11. Edit 2: Change the paragraph about 9/11 to be more respectful. Edit 3: Add comment about lasting effects.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Covid related death is a highly inflated number, i mean it include people who die and happen to be tested positive for covid, not just die due to covid.
    - Shared404 6y ago
      Okay. So, according to [0], about 6% of the covid related deaths have only covid as a cause. According to [1], there have been 291,522 covid related deaths since Jan 21 of this year, and according to [2], there were 2,977 fatalities in 9/11. All numbers are rounded to the nearest whole number. EDIT: Except for the 6% and final results, for obvious reasons. 291,522 * .06 = 17,491 deaths with no related comorbidity. This number happens to be still ~1.7 times the number of drunk driving related deaths in 2017. Finally... 17,491 / 2,977 = 6 times the number of people who were killed by 9/11 with no comorbidities. --- Now, lets do the math for this past week. 16,308 * .06 = 978.48 deaths with no comorbidities. 2,977 / 978 = 3 -- So last week was equivalent to one third of 9/11 for deaths with no comorbidities. As deaths are expected to climb, we can expect to have at least the equivalent of 9/11 every three weeks for a while. And none of this math includes those who were mostly fine, but happened to have a small condition that was lumped in, causing them to not be counted in the 6%. [0] https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19-death-count-inflated https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19... [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11...
      - matz1 6y ago
        So by your number, only 978 death last week ? Even if its true that is still such a low number and probably skewed towards old people. With this number you want to have shutdown business, restrict business, prevent gathering, implement all those silly safety theatre for the rest of population? Yeah very very not worth it.
        Shared404 6y ago
        978 deaths is equivalent to 1/18 of the entire year to date. The rate is increasing, and there's only one way to stop it. Edit: And again, this number is with absolutely no comorbidities. Had diabetes for your whole life? not counted. Broke your arm? not counted. High blood pressure? not counted. Plenty of people who would've lived decades more are not included in this number. > With this number you want to have... > shutdown business Nope. I want masks and social distancing. I recognize that businesses need to be open. Heck, I'm still working. > restrict business Depending on your point of view, yes. Meaning that I think social distancing should be practised at all businesses, and people should decide themselves not to go to businesses that they don't have to. Note, this is "Free market" restriction, not government mandated. > prevent gathering Not precisely. I would say don't gather with people from outside of your region, and social distance when you do gather with people inside your region. > safety theatre Still waiting on a source for this, assuming you are talking about masks. I haven't said anything about any measures other than the above, and masks to point.

by ardy42 6y ago

matz1 6y ago

Likewise don't be suprised when other people can also simply dismissed your concern. No, the different is the risk of not wearing mask way way lower than drunk driving.

Shared404 6y ago
About 1.5 times as many people died of Covid in the last seven days than people who died due to drunk driving in 2016. Drunk driving may be more dangerous to the individual, but not all wearing masks appears to be doing much more damage. For context, the number of covid related deaths over the past week are equivalent to 5.47 times the number of people killed in 9/11. These numbers don't include those who survive but suffer from lasting effects caused by covid. Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fmotorvehiclesafety%2Fimpaired_driving%2Fimpaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/im... https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast... Edit: Add Drunk ... 9/11. Edit 2: Change the paragraph about 9/11 to be more respectful. Edit 3: Add comment about lasting effects.
- matz1 6y ago
  Covid related death is a highly inflated number, i mean it include people who die and happen to be tested positive for covid, not just die due to covid.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Okay. So, according to [0], about 6% of the covid related deaths have only covid as a cause. According to [1], there have been 291,522 covid related deaths since Jan 21 of this year, and according to [2], there were 2,977 fatalities in 9/11. All numbers are rounded to the nearest whole number. EDIT: Except for the 6% and final results, for obvious reasons. 291,522 * .06 = 17,491 deaths with no related comorbidity. This number happens to be still ~1.7 times the number of drunk driving related deaths in 2017. Finally... 17,491 / 2,977 = 6 times the number of people who were killed by 9/11 with no comorbidities. --- Now, lets do the math for this past week. 16,308 * .06 = 978.48 deaths with no comorbidities. 2,977 / 978 = 3 -- So last week was equivalent to one third of 9/11 for deaths with no comorbidities. As deaths are expected to climb, we can expect to have at least the equivalent of 9/11 every three weeks for a while. And none of this math includes those who were mostly fine, but happened to have a small condition that was lumped in, causing them to not be counted in the 6%. [0] https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19-death-count-inflated https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19... [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11...
    - matz1 6y ago
      So by your number, only 978 death last week ? Even if its true that is still such a low number and probably skewed towards old people. With this number you want to have shutdown business, restrict business, prevent gathering, implement all those silly safety theatre for the rest of population? Yeah very very not worth it.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        978 deaths is equivalent to 1/18 of the entire year to date. The rate is increasing, and there's only one way to stop it. Edit: And again, this number is with absolutely no comorbidities. Had diabetes for your whole life? not counted. Broke your arm? not counted. High blood pressure? not counted. Plenty of people who would've lived decades more are not included in this number. > With this number you want to have... > shutdown business Nope. I want masks and social distancing. I recognize that businesses need to be open. Heck, I'm still working. > restrict business Depending on your point of view, yes. Meaning that I think social distancing should be practised at all businesses, and people should decide themselves not to go to businesses that they don't have to. Note, this is "Free market" restriction, not government mandated. > prevent gathering Not precisely. I would say don't gather with people from outside of your region, and social distance when you do gather with people inside your region. > safety theatre Still waiting on a source for this, assuming you are talking about masks. I haven't said anything about any measures other than the above, and masks to point.