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I was hoping Palm would eventually license WebOS to companies that could make better hardware and offer more desirable form factors. WebOS is nice but the origi

by jsz0 15y ago

I was hoping Palm would eventually license WebOS to companies that could make better hardware and offer more desirable form factors. WebOS is nice but the original Pre was just truly awful hardware. Under powered, fragile, terrible keyboard, screen was too small, etc. It doesn't look like the other WebOS devices released since have really improved on this much. Unfortunately HP would never consider licensing so hopefully they at least look at the SmartPhone market and realize people seem to like slim devices with high resolution screens. Big fat sliders with small low resolution screens have a very limited market these days.

rsanchez1 15y ago
The Pre 2 is a huge improvement over the original Pre and its upgraded Plus version. It's just that no one ever cared enough to sell it.
potatolicious 15y ago
I agree, but this is a problem that plagues Android too, though it's slowly getting better. Even now though, hold an iPhone 4 in one hand, and hold the Nexus S in the other. Both are fine, fast phones with a wide array of features... but one feels plasticky and cheap, while the other feels solid, almost as if it was hewn out of a solid piece of glass. Samsung, LG, et al really need to get their shit together. Apple sets a very high bar for manufacturing precision, materials use, and industrial design. I feel like the OEMs are slowly getting the design aspect sorted out, but every time I see a new Android device I can't help but be disappointed at the cheap materials and generally good-but-not-great assembly.
- trezor 15y ago
  Even now though, hold an iPhone 4 in one hand, and hold the Nexus S in the other. Both are fine, fast phones with a wide array of features... But one feels dated, awkward and like it belongs 5 years ago with some light finishing polish to cover it up. Seriously dated. Do. Not. Want. Samsung doesn't need to get their shit together. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S II preorders. They are the highest ever recovered for any device. I think Samsung is doing just fine with their so-called "cheap-feeling" phone. So sure. If things like the physical finish matters more to you than the actual capabilities of the device, then sure, continue buying Apple stuff. In a world where every competitor is cheaper, more open and offers more choice, this is really the only reason one could possibly have for choosing Apple these days.
  - jodrellblank 15y ago
    Are you saying the iPhone 4 feels like it belongs 5 years ago and is "seriously dated"? You realise that's a year before iPhone 1 was released and at a time when the "Best smartphone" category ( http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6452_7-6600061.html http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6452_7-6600061.html ) had Nokia N95 and Windows Mobile 6 in it and mostly no touchscreen, no multitouch devices? this is really the only reason one could possibly have for choosing Apple these days. Untrue and inflamatory trolling. The app store or specific apps, iTunes store integration, familiarity, preference for iOS, loyalty to Apple corporation, integration with Apple TV, fashion,
    - trezor 15y ago
      You realise that's a year before iPhone 1 was released My bad. So 4 years ago it was the best, despite lacking 3G. 4 years later and next to nothing has changed. I honestly think it warrants being labeled "dated". Untrue and inflamatory trolling. The app store or specific apps, iTunes store integration, familiarity, preference for iOS, loyalty to Apple corporation, integration with Apple TV, fashion, The app store is in my opinion inferior to Android Market. And the constant changes which Steve goes about with ensures that fewer and fewer developers will put up with it. The iTunes integration and requirement is for most people a bug, not a feature. Preference for iOS is like you said, a preference, but it's hardly warranted. This thing haven't moved an inch since launch. Loyalty to Apple corporation is a mental handicap to everyone not bitten by Steve Jobs RDF. Why on earth would you be loyal to a corporation? I'm loyal to me and my needs, and I want the best. The iPhone isn't. Integration with Apple TV, a product useless in most parts of the world. Gee thanks. I'll consider it once Apple opens its TV/Movie store where I live, something they haven't done 3 years after they launched the music store. Fashion? Are you serious? It may have been fashion a year ago, but right now everyone are getting Android phones. Apple haven't gotten any successor to the iPhone 4 out, and most Android phones in sale now, not to mention the dual-core models coming out as we speak, surpass the iPhone 4 on every metric. The iPhone was a success based on it being the king of the smartphone game, and now it is slowly but surely lagging behind. Unless Apple does something unheard of with the iPhone 5 (including a near-complete rewrite of iOS) they will still be lagging when it comes out. They will release a device with dated software on day one and then they have lost. They will no longer be the better or premium option, they'll just have a glossy look. I realize I'm an iPhone owner gone Android-fanatic. Yes. I am biased. But right now, the iPhone objectively has very little appeal unless you are burdened with the loyalty-handicap.

by jsz0 15y ago

rsanchez1 15y ago

The Pre 2 is a huge improvement over the original Pre and its upgraded Plus version. It's just that no one ever cared enough to sell it.

potatolicious 15y ago

I agree, but this is a problem that plagues Android too, though it's slowly getting better. Even now though, hold an iPhone 4 in one hand, and hold the Nexus S in the other. Both are fine, fast phones with a wide array of features... but one feels plasticky and cheap, while the other feels solid, almost as if it was hewn out of a solid piece of glass. Samsung, LG, et al really need to get their shit together. Apple sets a very high bar for manufacturing precision, materials use, and industrial design. I feel like the OEMs are slowly getting the design aspect sorted out, but every time I see a new Android device I can't help but be disappointed at the cheap materials and generally good-but-not-great assembly.

trezor 15y ago
Even now though, hold an iPhone 4 in one hand, and hold the Nexus S in the other. Both are fine, fast phones with a wide array of features... But one feels dated, awkward and like it belongs 5 years ago with some light finishing polish to cover it up. Seriously dated. Do. Not. Want. Samsung doesn't need to get their shit together. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S II preorders. They are the highest ever recovered for any device. I think Samsung is doing just fine with their so-called "cheap-feeling" phone. So sure. If things like the physical finish matters more to you than the actual capabilities of the device, then sure, continue buying Apple stuff. In a world where every competitor is cheaper, more open and offers more choice, this is really the only reason one could possibly have for choosing Apple these days.
- jodrellblank 15y ago
  Are you saying the iPhone 4 feels like it belongs 5 years ago and is "seriously dated"? You realise that's a year before iPhone 1 was released and at a time when the "Best smartphone" category ( http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6452_7-6600061.html http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6452_7-6600061.html ) had Nokia N95 and Windows Mobile 6 in it and mostly no touchscreen, no multitouch devices? this is really the only reason one could possibly have for choosing Apple these days. Untrue and inflamatory trolling. The app store or specific apps, iTunes store integration, familiarity, preference for iOS, loyalty to Apple corporation, integration with Apple TV, fashion,
  - trezor 15y ago
    You realise that's a year before iPhone 1 was released My bad. So 4 years ago it was the best, despite lacking 3G. 4 years later and next to nothing has changed. I honestly think it warrants being labeled "dated". Untrue and inflamatory trolling. The app store or specific apps, iTunes store integration, familiarity, preference for iOS, loyalty to Apple corporation, integration with Apple TV, fashion, The app store is in my opinion inferior to Android Market. And the constant changes which Steve goes about with ensures that fewer and fewer developers will put up with it. The iTunes integration and requirement is for most people a bug, not a feature. Preference for iOS is like you said, a preference, but it's hardly warranted. This thing haven't moved an inch since launch. Loyalty to Apple corporation is a mental handicap to everyone not bitten by Steve Jobs RDF. Why on earth would you be loyal to a corporation? I'm loyal to me and my needs, and I want the best. The iPhone isn't. Integration with Apple TV, a product useless in most parts of the world. Gee thanks. I'll consider it once Apple opens its TV/Movie store where I live, something they haven't done 3 years after they launched the music store. Fashion? Are you serious? It may have been fashion a year ago, but right now everyone are getting Android phones. Apple haven't gotten any successor to the iPhone 4 out, and most Android phones in sale now, not to mention the dual-core models coming out as we speak, surpass the iPhone 4 on every metric. The iPhone was a success based on it being the king of the smartphone game, and now it is slowly but surely lagging behind. Unless Apple does something unheard of with the iPhone 5 (including a near-complete rewrite of iOS) they will still be lagging when it comes out. They will release a device with dated software on day one and then they have lost. They will no longer be the better or premium option, they'll just have a glossy look. I realize I'm an iPhone owner gone Android-fanatic. Yes. I am biased. But right now, the iPhone objectively has very little appeal unless you are burdened with the loyalty-handicap.