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Pregnant women or women who are planning on becoming pregnant should not have it according to UK government guidelines. That’s a pretty good reason to click NO.

hezag 6y ago
Or a pretty good reason to click "I WILL WAIT"
- StavrosK 6y ago
  "FOR NINE MONTHS"
  - edanm 6y ago
    I think you're also not supposed to take it while breastfeeding. So it could be 9 months plus a year or more.
h3cate 6y ago
Also people with allergies. This was found out after two people that got the vaccine had allergic reactions to it (no idea how severe)...
- hedora 6y ago
  Those two had severe pre-existing allergies (to the point where they carry epi pens), and had non-fatal reactions to the vaccine. If you’re in the 0.1% of the population with severe allergies, you should skip most vaccines. Herd immunity is a thing, and (most — probably these) vaccines will protect you by making the people around you stop spreading it. If you’re in this category, you’d have already been told so by your doctor.
  - vl 6y ago
    If they were “said so by their doctors”, how come they still were injected by the doctors? Also, most people carrying epi-pens don’t know full severity of their allergies since there is no way to test it.
  - h3cate 6y ago
    No your final point isn't true. These people were administered the vaccine by their doctors. The simple fact of the matter is that this vaccine hasn't had rigorous testing like other vaccines hence them finding out new information about after it's been administered
bsder 6y ago
Um, you do know that alcohol is something that pregnant women should avoid? Will you quit drinking alcohol?
- humbledrone 6y ago
  I was under the impression that this is common knowledge. Most pregnant women I've known did, indeed, forego alcohol during their pregnancy.
  - dan-robertson 6y ago
    I think everyone in this thread has left too much of their argument tacit and the meaning has been lost. I read it as: 1. Why do many people say no? 2. Well it isn’t recommended for the pregnant [therefore either a large proportion of hn is pregnant or the vaccine is generally bad] 3. [not many people on hn are pregnant so] do you also refuse alcohol because that is bad for the pregnant? 4. [I think you’re suggesting that pregnant people often drink alcohol so I put it to you that] in my experience pregnant people don’t drink alcohol. 5. This comment
  - bsder 6y ago
    My point was that "unsafe for pregnant women" does not imply "unsafe for not-pregnant or unsafe for not-women".
- Anon4Now 6y ago
  Not the same. According to a former Pfizer employee, there is a ~70% risk that it could cause sterility in women. At this point (a) I don't know if this guy's a whack job or (b) whether he was implying permanent or temporary sterility. All I know is that I wouldn't want my daughter to take it until there's more certainty about the risk factors.
  - ckdarby 6y ago
    Source or don't spread misinformation.
  - 6y ago
divbzero 6y ago
Note that there are differing professional opinions on this. The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine recommends no special exclusion of pregnant women from vaccine trials or vaccine campaigns: [1] [2] “Despite the categorization of pregnancy as a high-risk condition for severe COVID-19, hospitalization, and mortality, pregnancy remains an exclusion for participation in vaccine trials. The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) and other leading organizations, including the National Academy of Medicine, have consistently advocated for the inclusion of pregnant and lactating women in vaccination trials, particularly when the following criteria are met: (1) pregnancy poses increased susceptibility to or severity of a disease; (2) the best approach to protect the infant is through passive placental antibody transfer, which provides the most efficient and direct protection to the newborn before an infant can be vaccinated, and (3) there is an active outbreak.” “In general, SMFM strongly recommends that pregnant women have access to COVID-19 vaccines in all phases of future vaccine campaigns, and that she and her healthcare professional engage in shared decision-making regarding her receipt of the vaccine. Counseling should balance available data on vaccine safety, risks to pregnant women from SARS-CoV-2 infection, and a woman’s individual risk for infection and severe disease. As data emerge, counseling will likely shift, as some vaccines may be more suitable for pregnant women. mRNA vaccines, which are likely to be the first vaccines available, do not contain a live virus but rather induce humoral and cellular immune response through the use of viral mRNA. Healthcare professionals should also counsel their patients that the theoretical risk of fetal harm from mRNA vaccines is very low.” [1]: https://www.smfm.org/covidclinical https://www.smfm.org/covidclinical [2]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.smfm.org/media/2591/SMFM_Vaccine_Statement_12-1-20_(final).pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.smfm.org/media/2591/SMFM_Vaccin...
yamrzou 6y ago
Not on HN, though.
- goshx 6y ago
  Why not?
  - yamrzou 6y ago
    Because last I checked, HN was not pregnant women's favorite forum. You could create a poll if you doubt it, I trust my gut :)
    - bmsleight_ 6y ago
      Poll created - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397737 As I think it is also a good discussion on Gender Identities.
  - yamrzou 6y ago
    Since I'm being downvoted for what I thought is a common sense answer, here is a more elaborated one: 1. HN is a mostly technical forum, with a technically inclined user base. 2. Statistics show that there are less women working in Tech than men [1,2]. This can be translated in interest in Tech. 3. Only a fraction of those women would be on HN, and only a fraction of them would be pregnant. 4. One more data point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5520342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5520342 You can therefore safely assume that it's a very tiny number, which can not explain the NO responses of this poll. [1] https://www.womentech.net/en-fr/women-technology-statistics https://www.womentech.net/en-fr/women-technology-statistics [2] https://www.isemag.com/2020/10/telecom-the-latest-stats-on-women-in-tech/ https://www.isemag.com/2020/10/telecom-the-latest-stats-on-w...
bamboleo 6y ago
Dead people and newborns also should not take the vaccine. What’s your point? The poll’s intent is to understand why one would not want to take it, not whether they should. The government already makes that choice for you. See “People with allergies should avoid the vaccine.”
rimliu 6y ago
Ah yes, typical HNer.

hezag 6y ago

Or a pretty good reason to click "I WILL WAIT"

StavrosK 6y ago
"FOR NINE MONTHS"
- edanm 6y ago
  I think you're also not supposed to take it while breastfeeding. So it could be 9 months plus a year or more.

h3cate 6y ago

Also people with allergies. This was found out after two people that got the vaccine had allergic reactions to it (no idea how severe)...

hedora 6y ago
Those two had severe pre-existing allergies (to the point where they carry epi pens), and had non-fatal reactions to the vaccine. If you’re in the 0.1% of the population with severe allergies, you should skip most vaccines. Herd immunity is a thing, and (most — probably these) vaccines will protect you by making the people around you stop spreading it. If you’re in this category, you’d have already been told so by your doctor.
- vl 6y ago
  If they were “said so by their doctors”, how come they still were injected by the doctors? Also, most people carrying epi-pens don’t know full severity of their allergies since there is no way to test it.
- h3cate 6y ago
  No your final point isn't true. These people were administered the vaccine by their doctors. The simple fact of the matter is that this vaccine hasn't had rigorous testing like other vaccines hence them finding out new information about after it's been administered

bsder 6y ago

Um, you do know that alcohol is something that pregnant women should avoid? Will you quit drinking alcohol?

humbledrone 6y ago
I was under the impression that this is common knowledge. Most pregnant women I've known did, indeed, forego alcohol during their pregnancy.
- dan-robertson 6y ago
  I think everyone in this thread has left too much of their argument tacit and the meaning has been lost. I read it as: 1. Why do many people say no? 2. Well it isn’t recommended for the pregnant [therefore either a large proportion of hn is pregnant or the vaccine is generally bad] 3. [not many people on hn are pregnant so] do you also refuse alcohol because that is bad for the pregnant? 4. [I think you’re suggesting that pregnant people often drink alcohol so I put it to you that] in my experience pregnant people don’t drink alcohol. 5. This comment
- bsder 6y ago
  My point was that "unsafe for pregnant women" does not imply "unsafe for not-pregnant or unsafe for not-women".
Anon4Now 6y ago
Not the same. According to a former Pfizer employee, there is a ~70% risk that it could cause sterility in women. At this point (a) I don't know if this guy's a whack job or (b) whether he was implying permanent or temporary sterility. All I know is that I wouldn't want my daughter to take it until there's more certainty about the risk factors.
- ckdarby 6y ago
  Source or don't spread misinformation.
- 6y ago

divbzero 6y ago

Note that there are differing professional opinions on this. The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine recommends no special exclusion of pregnant women from vaccine trials or vaccine campaigns: [1] [2] “Despite the categorization of pregnancy as a high-risk condition for severe COVID-19, hospitalization, and mortality, pregnancy remains an exclusion for participation in vaccine trials. The Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine (SMFM) and other leading organizations, including the National Academy of Medicine, have consistently advocated for the inclusion of pregnant and lactating women in vaccination trials, particularly when the following criteria are met: (1) pregnancy poses increased susceptibility to or severity of a disease; (2) the best approach to protect the infant is through passive placental antibody transfer, which provides the most efficient and direct protection to the newborn before an infant can be vaccinated, and (3) there is an active outbreak.” “In general, SMFM strongly recommends that pregnant women have access to COVID-19 vaccines in all phases of future vaccine campaigns, and that she and her healthcare professional engage in shared decision-making regarding her receipt of the vaccine. Counseling should balance available data on vaccine safety, risks to pregnant women from SARS-CoV-2 infection, and a woman’s individual risk for infection and severe disease. As data emerge, counseling will likely shift, as some vaccines may be more suitable for pregnant women. mRNA vaccines, which are likely to be the first vaccines available, do not contain a live virus but rather induce humoral and cellular immune response through the use of viral mRNA. Healthcare professionals should also counsel their patients that the theoretical risk of fetal harm from mRNA vaccines is very low.” [1]: https://www.smfm.org/covidclinical https://www.smfm.org/covidclinical [2]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.smfm.org/media/2591/SMFM_Vaccine_Statement_12-1-20_(final).pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.smfm.org/media/2591/SMFM_Vaccin...

yamrzou 6y ago

Not on HN, though.

goshx 6y ago
Why not?
- yamrzou 6y ago
  Because last I checked, HN was not pregnant women's favorite forum. You could create a poll if you doubt it, I trust my gut :)
  - bmsleight_ 6y ago
    Poll created - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397737 As I think it is also a good discussion on Gender Identities.
- yamrzou 6y ago
  Since I'm being downvoted for what I thought is a common sense answer, here is a more elaborated one: 1. HN is a mostly technical forum, with a technically inclined user base. 2. Statistics show that there are less women working in Tech than men [1,2]. This can be translated in interest in Tech. 3. Only a fraction of those women would be on HN, and only a fraction of them would be pregnant. 4. One more data point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5520342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5520342 You can therefore safely assume that it's a very tiny number, which can not explain the NO responses of this poll. [1] https://www.womentech.net/en-fr/women-technology-statistics https://www.womentech.net/en-fr/women-technology-statistics [2] https://www.isemag.com/2020/10/telecom-the-latest-stats-on-women-in-tech/ https://www.isemag.com/2020/10/telecom-the-latest-stats-on-w...

bamboleo 6y ago

Dead people and newborns also should not take the vaccine. What’s your point? The poll’s intent is to understand why one would not want to take it, not whether they should. The government already makes that choice for you. See “People with allergies should avoid the vaccine.”

rimliu 6y ago

Ah yes, typical HNer.