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No need to worry about who should go first. They will be rolling it out based on need. When it's available to you, go get it.

setpatchaddress 6y ago
You're assuming distribution will work fairly and optimally. That's very unlikely, especially because the initial rollout will still be overseen by the Trump admin.
- dustinmoris 6y ago
  You’re assuming that everyone talks about the USA, but they probably don’t.
  - imdsm 6y ago
    I find this on the internet, though usually reddit rather than here. I am forever asking folks if they mean the US, and trying to explain to them that there is... a rest of world
    - tpxl 6y ago
      America is the largest (primarily) English speaking community in the world and both Reddit and YC are US companies. It's not surprising some assume the whole audience is American.
      - Tijdreiziger 6y ago
        The US accounts only for about 10% of English speakers in the world.
    - sixothree 6y ago
      Honestly it's kind of hard to know what the audience for a site might be. If people are active during your hours and in your language, the assumption is easy to make.
  - 495636483 6y ago
    Oh boy, do I hope we don't talk about the US in 2021, anymore. It's been like a slightly different, ever the same car crash you drive by, every day. For four fucking years. I am sure my dopamine receptors look like old, all dries up raisins by now. I wish we as a species could agree stop all news for year or ten. Detox and heal, form new habits like life has value and shit.
- srcno 6y ago
  It will be overseen by the individual states in the US.
- throwaway201103 6y ago
  You mean the admin that funded and fast-tracked the development and trials?
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    You mean the admin that encouraged people not to wear masks? The one that downplayed the virus at every opportunity? The one that held rallies without masks required, but still had people sign waivers in case they got sick? Is it that one, or some other administration you’re thinking of?
    - exclusiv 6y ago
      You have a good counter. To add to "don't wear masks" though - WHO, CDC, Fauci all had poor and inaccurate guidance as well. It's like none of these experts have sane defaults when they don't know about something. Kind of hard to believe, really. Then when they're wrong - they say "oh yeah we lied, we didn't want a run on masks for health workers". Such BS. They didn't know non-surgical/non-(k)n95 masks could be useful. It's ok to admit when you're wrong. Better than saying you lied. Especially when there's enough distrust of government. The US administration is culpable. But so are the experts. People need to be able to trust their experts. Separately - I find it ridiculous we have people that are all about science, except when their agenda conflicts. We end up with exceptions for religion. Exceptions for protests. Exceptions for filming movies. Whatever. If you have enough influence or can cause enough outrage about something you can get your way. Nobody has the balls to take hard stances. They create these illogical plans based on who is influencing them. Is there any official who was consistent and pragmatic with their pandemic plan?
      - Rapzid 6y ago
        The CDC officially recommended the use of face masks in public places on April 3. That was forever ago and only a few weeks into the US crises(couple weeks after first lockdowns started). There absolutely was a PPE shortage at the time, and there absolutely was new information coming in about the efficacy of wearing non N95 masks. That's a lot of attribution to malice or incompetence for such a dynamic situation that shaped up in such a relatively short amount of time.. Meanwhile the current admin had their last maskless rally what, just in the past week or so?
- tamaharbor 6y ago
  Yawn.
bird_monster 6y ago
Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  because believe it or not some people live in countries where the government manages to do just that.
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    I have already watched wealthy people in Germany and France and China skip the queue.
    - Kliment 6y ago
      Outside clinical trials nobody in Germany or France has been vaccinated as there are no approved vaccines in those countries.
      - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
        > nobody in Germany or France has been vaccinated as there are no approved vaccines Which creates a force field around the warehouses in which it sits? Come on. I guess I’ll revise to I know of people with substantial resources, hundreds of millions and billions at their disposal, who have been injected with something they believe to be the Pfizer vaccine.
        Kliment 6y ago
        I'm sure it's possible, but that means effectively that said person is now an undocumented trial participant. They have gotten injected with an unapproved medical product. That's a risk they've taken in order to get in early. The physician that administered it has also committed a crime that can cost them their license to practice. There are easier ways for people in power to get vaccines. In China, the government has granted exceptional permissions to vaccinate a number of people with a vaccine that has not yet completed phase 3 trials. The list of people who qualify for that vaccine is said to be several million people long. It's much easier to get on said list in China than it is anywhere else. A number of other governments have also made exceptions for political leaders and such, treating them with non-approved medication or vaccines. For example, the sheikh of Dubai has been vaccinated with the Sinopharm vaccine before approval (in a very public display of faith in said vaccine, in order to promote vaccination to the population). Some countries are saying they won't bother waiting for phase 3 trials to end on some products and will make vaccines generally available based on current data. This is the case for Russia (with Sputnik-V) and Morocco (with the Sinopharm vaccine). I consider it highly likely that their heads of state are vaccinated under an exceptional authorization.
notatoad 6y ago
this is exactly it. based on my demographic, i'm going to be one of the last in line. I'm not going to be trying to jump ahead in that line because i'm not an asshole and i know other people need it more than I do. but also I'm a little bit of an asshole, so i'm kind of reassured to know that hundreds of millions of people will have gotten it before me, and if there are any issues there will have been plenty of time to sort them out.
- dmix 6y ago
  The other half of it, for the early days at least, is the fear of lining up with hundreds of people who are more likely to be high risk people. Putting yourself in higher risk. My pharmacy does COVID testing but only if you show no symptoms. The gov health networks tell symptomatic people to be tested in hospital set up centers. But high risk people are still high risk people, whether they are showing symptoms or not.
  - tmhrtly 6y ago
    It's worth separating the two types of 'high risk': There's 'high risk of having a severe response to COVID' and 'high risk of getting COVID'. The former (e.g. elderly) are not always the same as the latter (healthcare workers) - but there are some overlaps (e.g. care homes). My hunch is most of the queues for vaccines will be type A e.g. the elderly. Not necessarily more likely to have COVID, but more likely to be at risk of severe symptoms if they were to get it.
  - notatoad 6y ago
    I have enough faith in my local health authorities to assume that the line won't be a literal lineup with hundreds of people. If my local bike shop has figured out the concept of no-contact service appointments by now, I'm pretty sure the health department can do it.
    - dmix 6y ago
      idk about where you live but in Toronto 3+ million people will have to be vaccinated. It's going to be a chaotic mass experiment in the first few weeks. Which I intend to wait out.

setpatchaddress 6y ago

You're assuming distribution will work fairly and optimally. That's very unlikely, especially because the initial rollout will still be overseen by the Trump admin.

dustinmoris 6y ago
You’re assuming that everyone talks about the USA, but they probably don’t.
- imdsm 6y ago
  I find this on the internet, though usually reddit rather than here. I am forever asking folks if they mean the US, and trying to explain to them that there is... a rest of world
  - tpxl 6y ago
    America is the largest (primarily) English speaking community in the world and both Reddit and YC are US companies. It's not surprising some assume the whole audience is American.
    - Tijdreiziger 6y ago
      The US accounts only for about 10% of English speakers in the world.
  - sixothree 6y ago
    Honestly it's kind of hard to know what the audience for a site might be. If people are active during your hours and in your language, the assumption is easy to make.
- 495636483 6y ago
  Oh boy, do I hope we don't talk about the US in 2021, anymore. It's been like a slightly different, ever the same car crash you drive by, every day. For four fucking years. I am sure my dopamine receptors look like old, all dries up raisins by now. I wish we as a species could agree stop all news for year or ten. Detox and heal, form new habits like life has value and shit.
srcno 6y ago
It will be overseen by the individual states in the US.
throwaway201103 6y ago
You mean the admin that funded and fast-tracked the development and trials?
- pmiller2 6y ago
  You mean the admin that encouraged people not to wear masks? The one that downplayed the virus at every opportunity? The one that held rallies without masks required, but still had people sign waivers in case they got sick? Is it that one, or some other administration you’re thinking of?
  - exclusiv 6y ago
    You have a good counter. To add to "don't wear masks" though - WHO, CDC, Fauci all had poor and inaccurate guidance as well. It's like none of these experts have sane defaults when they don't know about something. Kind of hard to believe, really. Then when they're wrong - they say "oh yeah we lied, we didn't want a run on masks for health workers". Such BS. They didn't know non-surgical/non-(k)n95 masks could be useful. It's ok to admit when you're wrong. Better than saying you lied. Especially when there's enough distrust of government. The US administration is culpable. But so are the experts. People need to be able to trust their experts. Separately - I find it ridiculous we have people that are all about science, except when their agenda conflicts. We end up with exceptions for religion. Exceptions for protests. Exceptions for filming movies. Whatever. If you have enough influence or can cause enough outrage about something you can get your way. Nobody has the balls to take hard stances. They create these illogical plans based on who is influencing them. Is there any official who was consistent and pragmatic with their pandemic plan?
    - Rapzid 6y ago
      The CDC officially recommended the use of face masks in public places on April 3. That was forever ago and only a few weeks into the US crises(couple weeks after first lockdowns started). There absolutely was a PPE shortage at the time, and there absolutely was new information coming in about the efficacy of wearing non N95 masks. That's a lot of attribution to malice or incompetence for such a dynamic situation that shaped up in such a relatively short amount of time.. Meanwhile the current admin had their last maskless rally what, just in the past week or so?
tamaharbor 6y ago
Yawn.

bird_monster 6y ago

Not sure why you would think a vaccine being managed by the government will be rolled out in a sane and consistent manner? edit As was correctly pointed out, I should mention I'm speaking purely about the US and not any other country.

Barrin92 6y ago
because believe it or not some people live in countries where the government manages to do just that.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  I have already watched wealthy people in Germany and France and China skip the queue.
  - Kliment 6y ago
    Outside clinical trials nobody in Germany or France has been vaccinated as there are no approved vaccines in those countries.
    - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
      > nobody in Germany or France has been vaccinated as there are no approved vaccines Which creates a force field around the warehouses in which it sits? Come on. I guess I’ll revise to I know of people with substantial resources, hundreds of millions and billions at their disposal, who have been injected with something they believe to be the Pfizer vaccine.
      - Kliment 6y ago
        I'm sure it's possible, but that means effectively that said person is now an undocumented trial participant. They have gotten injected with an unapproved medical product. That's a risk they've taken in order to get in early. The physician that administered it has also committed a crime that can cost them their license to practice. There are easier ways for people in power to get vaccines. In China, the government has granted exceptional permissions to vaccinate a number of people with a vaccine that has not yet completed phase 3 trials. The list of people who qualify for that vaccine is said to be several million people long. It's much easier to get on said list in China than it is anywhere else. A number of other governments have also made exceptions for political leaders and such, treating them with non-approved medication or vaccines. For example, the sheikh of Dubai has been vaccinated with the Sinopharm vaccine before approval (in a very public display of faith in said vaccine, in order to promote vaccination to the population). Some countries are saying they won't bother waiting for phase 3 trials to end on some products and will make vaccines generally available based on current data. This is the case for Russia (with Sputnik-V) and Morocco (with the Sinopharm vaccine). I consider it highly likely that their heads of state are vaccinated under an exceptional authorization.

notatoad 6y ago

this is exactly it. based on my demographic, i'm going to be one of the last in line. I'm not going to be trying to jump ahead in that line because i'm not an asshole and i know other people need it more than I do. but also I'm a little bit of an asshole, so i'm kind of reassured to know that hundreds of millions of people will have gotten it before me, and if there are any issues there will have been plenty of time to sort them out.

dmix 6y ago
The other half of it, for the early days at least, is the fear of lining up with hundreds of people who are more likely to be high risk people. Putting yourself in higher risk. My pharmacy does COVID testing but only if you show no symptoms. The gov health networks tell symptomatic people to be tested in hospital set up centers. But high risk people are still high risk people, whether they are showing symptoms or not.
- tmhrtly 6y ago
  It's worth separating the two types of 'high risk': There's 'high risk of having a severe response to COVID' and 'high risk of getting COVID'. The former (e.g. elderly) are not always the same as the latter (healthcare workers) - but there are some overlaps (e.g. care homes). My hunch is most of the queues for vaccines will be type A e.g. the elderly. Not necessarily more likely to have COVID, but more likely to be at risk of severe symptoms if they were to get it.
- notatoad 6y ago
  I have enough faith in my local health authorities to assume that the line won't be a literal lineup with hundreds of people. If my local bike shop has figured out the concept of no-contact service appointments by now, I'm pretty sure the health department can do it.
  - dmix 6y ago
    idk about where you live but in Toronto 3+ million people will have to be vaccinated. It's going to be a chaotic mass experiment in the first few weeks. Which I intend to wait out.