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It's crazy what's getting banned. If you believe in science, then you believe that experts and authorities can be wrong, and likely are wrong about some things

It's crazy what's getting banned. If you believe in science, then you believe that experts and authorities can be wrong, and likely are wrong about some things. You believe that it is important to question those beliefs. What youtube is doing is against science. If you believe in liberty, then you know that more than one thing can be right at the same time. That there is more than one way to do things. What youtube is doing is against liberty.

raverbashing 6y ago
"question those beliefs" pray, what kind of honest discussion can be had with people that make long videos about how the Earth is flat? There's healthy questioning and there's people with the intellectual honesty of a used car salesman
- swiley 6y ago
  Sometimes I wonder if flat earthers are fake news themselves. You can stand on the shore of a body of water larger than 3 miles and watch boats sail over the horizon. No need for tools, geometry, or privilege, you can stand there and see it. And even if they are real, their numbers are small even with the amount of propaganda they create.
hobs 6y ago
If you believe in science, you also believe that things can be proven wrong, and that repeating wrong things can influence people especially if you have the power to amplify your voice with money. If you believe in liberty, you believe in the liberty of a set of an individuals (a company) to do what they damn well please with their platform.
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- waterheater 6y ago
  >repeating wrong things But how can one know what is wrong and right without examining all information first? Liars and True Believers will get you every time, unless you are provided the opportunity to discover truth for yourself. YouTube is now determining what content should be present on their platform using editorial criteria, which makes them a de facto publisher. >If you believe in liberty, you believe in the liberty of a set of an individuals (a company) to do what they damn well please with their platform. Not absolutely. Murder is technically an expression of liberty, but to kill is to remove the person's faculties to express liberty and therefore a wrong usage.
- tomohawk 6y ago
  Science does not talk about right or wrong. It talks about things that are falsifiable. If there is an idea that so far has not been falsified, it becomes the established scientific fact. However, someone else may come up with a better idea. Do we prevent them from talking about it or collaborating with people? It may take some time and lots of communication and collaboration to get to the bottom of it. Years or even decades. Do we ban them from youtube in the interrim? Youtube can do what they please, but what they are doing is against liberty, against science, and it is un-american.
  - IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
    So... the existence of God is "established scientific fact"? Because it hasn't exactly been falsified as far as I know.
    - stonogo 6y ago
      The parent post took some linguistic shortcuts, but I'll mention for completeness (and in case you're genuinely confused) that "the existence of God" is not a concept the scientific method can or should be applied to, because it is not possible to falsify that claim. A better phrasing of the sentence would be "If there is a falsifiable idea that so far has not been falsified, it may be considered established scientific fact." Scientific progress occurs not just by discovering new tenets, but by disproving incorrect ones, and nobody's come up with an objective test for the presence or absence of the Divine. Emotions flare because faith is a deeply personal issue, but from a lab protocol standpoint it's not a testable hypothesis, and thus not really worth arguing about.
  - hobs 6y ago
    Are the things people uploading false? Then what's the problem. Are these people trying to collaborate to solve the problem or are you using people who might be doing that as cover for a giant set of disinformation campaigns that are actively killing people right now?
- nitrogen 6y ago
  their platform. If Youtube wants it to be "their platform" and not part of the public commons, then they need to remove everything that isn't a YouTube Original. No UGC.
  - hobs 6y ago
    Ask everyone who willingly uploaded stuff to youtube to take down the stuff they uploaded, sure.
deft 6y ago
If you believe in science you are likely a neo-religious fundamentalist. Science doesn't need to be believed. The process puts forward propositions. You either think the scientific method has purpose and helps us understand our reality or not.
treeman79 6y ago
It’s also shocking how certain stories were getting blocked, “Hunter”, before election for being false. Oh now they are getting confirmed.

raverbashing 6y ago

"question those beliefs" pray, what kind of honest discussion can be had with people that make long videos about how the Earth is flat? There's healthy questioning and there's people with the intellectual honesty of a used car salesman

swiley 6y ago
Sometimes I wonder if flat earthers are fake news themselves. You can stand on the shore of a body of water larger than 3 miles and watch boats sail over the horizon. No need for tools, geometry, or privilege, you can stand there and see it. And even if they are real, their numbers are small even with the amount of propaganda they create.

hobs 6y ago

If you believe in science, you also believe that things can be proven wrong, and that repeating wrong things can influence people especially if you have the power to amplify your voice with money. If you believe in liberty, you believe in the liberty of a set of an individuals (a company) to do what they damn well please with their platform.

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waterheater 6y ago
>repeating wrong things But how can one know what is wrong and right without examining all information first? Liars and True Believers will get you every time, unless you are provided the opportunity to discover truth for yourself. YouTube is now determining what content should be present on their platform using editorial criteria, which makes them a de facto publisher. >If you believe in liberty, you believe in the liberty of a set of an individuals (a company) to do what they damn well please with their platform. Not absolutely. Murder is technically an expression of liberty, but to kill is to remove the person's faculties to express liberty and therefore a wrong usage.
tomohawk 6y ago
Science does not talk about right or wrong. It talks about things that are falsifiable. If there is an idea that so far has not been falsified, it becomes the established scientific fact. However, someone else may come up with a better idea. Do we prevent them from talking about it or collaborating with people? It may take some time and lots of communication and collaboration to get to the bottom of it. Years or even decades. Do we ban them from youtube in the interrim? Youtube can do what they please, but what they are doing is against liberty, against science, and it is un-american.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  So... the existence of God is "established scientific fact"? Because it hasn't exactly been falsified as far as I know.
  - stonogo 6y ago
    The parent post took some linguistic shortcuts, but I'll mention for completeness (and in case you're genuinely confused) that "the existence of God" is not a concept the scientific method can or should be applied to, because it is not possible to falsify that claim. A better phrasing of the sentence would be "If there is a falsifiable idea that so far has not been falsified, it may be considered established scientific fact." Scientific progress occurs not just by discovering new tenets, but by disproving incorrect ones, and nobody's come up with an objective test for the presence or absence of the Divine. Emotions flare because faith is a deeply personal issue, but from a lab protocol standpoint it's not a testable hypothesis, and thus not really worth arguing about.
- hobs 6y ago
  Are the things people uploading false? Then what's the problem. Are these people trying to collaborate to solve the problem or are you using people who might be doing that as cover for a giant set of disinformation campaigns that are actively killing people right now?
nitrogen 6y ago
their platform. If Youtube wants it to be "their platform" and not part of the public commons, then they need to remove everything that isn't a YouTube Original. No UGC.
- hobs 6y ago
  Ask everyone who willingly uploaded stuff to youtube to take down the stuff they uploaded, sure.

deft 6y ago

If you believe in science you are likely a neo-religious fundamentalist. Science doesn't need to be believed. The process puts forward propositions. You either think the scientific method has purpose and helps us understand our reality or not.

treeman79 6y ago

It’s also shocking how certain stories were getting blocked, “Hunter”, before election for being false. Oh now they are getting confirmed.