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Why is it so hard to realize that people want low taxes and light regulation? And that woke culture with it's free speech curtailment are a kind of 1984 environ

Why is it so hard to realize that people want low taxes and light regulation? And that woke culture with it's free speech curtailment are a kind of 1984 environment where someone is watching your words constantly. California and NYC were great great states, and after decades of democrat governments, companies decide to move thousands of kilometers so they can leave these states in favor of Republican states. There's so many of individual decisions along these lines. YEt, I am not aware of anyone leaving a red state to live under the woke shackles.

person_of_color 6y ago
Still waiting for the great FAANG from Texas.
- danishdev 6y ago
  Texas isn't precisely poor. Sure, 20 years ago California was a magnet for startups, but that is apparently vanishing as the democrat curtain closes in. Also, I reply to the poster above, since "I am posting too fast" @jeffbee It's not how it works. In the last 30 years people have tended to clusters of population. Specially the most skilled and immigrants. The clusters of population in US are California, New York, Houston and Chicago, 3 of which are democrat. Thats how it started. Now 3 of these clusters will start decreasing, and one will grow. Guess which. The same story of urbanization happened in China, Japan, Europe, Russia, etc..
- grillvogel 6y ago
  Whataburger
- abawany 6y ago
  Indeed.com is not FAANG scale but appears to be a big player in the jobseeker market.
cromwellian 6y ago
Well your political fantasy happens to be wrong. California experiences a net influx of highly skilled workers draining them from the rest of the US (https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019/4/losing-our-minds-brain-drain-across-the-united-states https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019...) and red states mostly lose their brightest people or absorb California residents from older failing industries who can’t afford the rents. The majority of this is about cost of living not taxes. Corporate taxes and income taxes have not really changed in recent years and California overall ranks in the middle of US states by EFFECTIVE tax rate (not the top marginal which few people pay but conservatives love to cite) Go read that study by the government on internal US migration. These “shackles” you’re talking about took me from someone who used to live in a ghetto to someone in the top 1%. The taxes are a small price to pay. Obsessing over marginal income tax rates is the wrong variable to optimize in life. Do what you love, where you love, because it’s your passion, not because you can shave 3% off of your effective tax. Most entrepreneurs don’t obsess over taxes, they’re focused on growth and solving problems, profit comes later. The constant hyper focus on marginal tax rates is a form of bean counter myopia. It’s what you do when your company is effectively in maintenance mode and beholden to the bean counters on Wall Street, not when your trying to win your market space. Wake me when Apple decides To move its HQ to a red state.
- peder 6y ago
  There's a chicken and egg situation. Companies do choose to locate in California because of talent, but talent also chooses California because of great companies. If enough great companies leave, the talent will leave, too.
  - cromwellian 6y ago
    But is Oracle a great company? :) [I'm a former employee, and my opinion is, it is not] SpaceX and Tesla leaving CA are bigger loses, but they haven't left yet, and it's unclear he'll move them, other than opening up more plants elsewhere. Boca Chica/Austin might eventually become the new locus of new hiring for example, but the Dragon/Falcon business might remain in CA for example. HP leaving is basically a zombie company leaving on life support, it would be like IBM or Kodak leaving. The real power of the Bay Area is the startup economy, and I think it will be hard to dislodge that, just like it's hard to dislodge Shenzhen, because of the "nexus" effect, or chicken and egg as you mentioned. If all of your customers and workers, and supply chain, and investors are in one spot, as an entrepreneur, you're going to gravitate there, even if the costs are high. I mean, you get can Silicon Hills, and Silicon Alleys elsewhere, but I don't think they'll overtake the Bay Area. However, I could see Texas, Arizona, Nevada, becoming the "Mars Plateau" in the future. Realistically, Musk needs a coastal port for logistics, ability to mine resources, and a state that would be complicit in dealing with angry laborers or neighbors who don't like Sonic Booms going off all the time. CA's just not going to let him run as roughshod as he wants, e.g. the worker safety and labor issues at his plants, the environmental impacts of what he's doing in Boca Chica, etc. That slows down his time schedule a lot, I don't blame him, he wants to get to Mars quick, but then again, if I were living near a Starship test area, I'd also be annoyed by all of the traffic, tourists, and explosions, so I don't object to him trying to get as far away from regulated residential areas as possible.
jeffbee 6y ago
Ree-hee-hee-ally? California is far and away the #1 destination of educated and wealthy domestic migrants, especially from "red states", by which I assume you mean states that habitually vote for Republicans. Pick any MAGA-infested den of ignorance that you prefer, and the story is the same. I choose Sioux Falls, SD, which has an overall negative net domestic migration that is extremely negative among people with some college, college degrees, and post-graduate educations but positive among people with high school diplomas and high-school dropouts. Bay Area domestic migration is the complement of this process: very positive among post-graduates and college grads, very negative among high school and less. Same basic story if you break it down by income levels. Why is this? There are large classes of people who can't stand to live in the MAGAsphere, and I mean huge classes of people like females, people of color, homosexuals, and non-christians. Whenever these people scrape together enough money to do so, they escape to a jurisdiction that recognizes their personhood, whether that be New York, California, or Austin.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  New Orleans checks all your positive boxes and Louisiana still has the migration pattern you attribute to SD.
  - hedora 6y ago
    New Orleans is rapidly sinking into the ocean because of climate change (hurricanes) and poor management of the delta.
triceratops 6y ago
> YEt, I am not aware of anyone leaving a red state to live under the woke shackles. University graduates and skilled workers?
saberience 6y ago
You're arguing about people leaving Democrat states in a post about people moving to Austin? Do you think Austin is a republican area? Austin is about as blue as it can get. No one is leaving Democratic states to go to some hell-hole Republican area. They are leaving Democrat cities to live in OTHER Democrat cities, the only difference between cost of living. That's it, simple as that. It has nothing to do with "wokeness" etc. It's basically, Austin cheap, San Fran expensive.
- bgorman 6y ago
  Sure Austin is a little blue bubble in Texas. However, most laws that impact employers are made at the state level, and Texas is a much friendlier climate and has less regulation. This does change the situation for residents of “blue” cities like Austin. Tons of people are moving to Arizona and Texas from the Midwest and California. Now these states are turning blue, but the policies that made them attractive to those people (less regulation, resulting in more housing built and more jobs) are definitely not “democrat” policies.
grillvogel 6y ago
NYC isn't a state

person_of_color 6y ago

Still waiting for the great FAANG from Texas.

danishdev 6y ago
Texas isn't precisely poor. Sure, 20 years ago California was a magnet for startups, but that is apparently vanishing as the democrat curtain closes in. Also, I reply to the poster above, since "I am posting too fast" @jeffbee It's not how it works. In the last 30 years people have tended to clusters of population. Specially the most skilled and immigrants. The clusters of population in US are California, New York, Houston and Chicago, 3 of which are democrat. Thats how it started. Now 3 of these clusters will start decreasing, and one will grow. Guess which. The same story of urbanization happened in China, Japan, Europe, Russia, etc..
grillvogel 6y ago
Whataburger
abawany 6y ago
Indeed.com is not FAANG scale but appears to be a big player in the jobseeker market.

cromwellian 6y ago

Well your political fantasy happens to be wrong. California experiences a net influx of highly skilled workers draining them from the rest of the US (https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019/4/losing-our-minds-brain-drain-across-the-united-states https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2019...) and red states mostly lose their brightest people or absorb California residents from older failing industries who can’t afford the rents. The majority of this is about cost of living not taxes. Corporate taxes and income taxes have not really changed in recent years and California overall ranks in the middle of US states by EFFECTIVE tax rate (not the top marginal which few people pay but conservatives love to cite) Go read that study by the government on internal US migration. These “shackles” you’re talking about took me from someone who used to live in a ghetto to someone in the top 1%. The taxes are a small price to pay. Obsessing over marginal income tax rates is the wrong variable to optimize in life. Do what you love, where you love, because it’s your passion, not because you can shave 3% off of your effective tax. Most entrepreneurs don’t obsess over taxes, they’re focused on growth and solving problems, profit comes later. The constant hyper focus on marginal tax rates is a form of bean counter myopia. It’s what you do when your company is effectively in maintenance mode and beholden to the bean counters on Wall Street, not when your trying to win your market space. Wake me when Apple decides To move its HQ to a red state.

peder 6y ago
There's a chicken and egg situation. Companies do choose to locate in California because of talent, but talent also chooses California because of great companies. If enough great companies leave, the talent will leave, too.
- cromwellian 6y ago
  But is Oracle a great company? :) [I'm a former employee, and my opinion is, it is not] SpaceX and Tesla leaving CA are bigger loses, but they haven't left yet, and it's unclear he'll move them, other than opening up more plants elsewhere. Boca Chica/Austin might eventually become the new locus of new hiring for example, but the Dragon/Falcon business might remain in CA for example. HP leaving is basically a zombie company leaving on life support, it would be like IBM or Kodak leaving. The real power of the Bay Area is the startup economy, and I think it will be hard to dislodge that, just like it's hard to dislodge Shenzhen, because of the "nexus" effect, or chicken and egg as you mentioned. If all of your customers and workers, and supply chain, and investors are in one spot, as an entrepreneur, you're going to gravitate there, even if the costs are high. I mean, you get can Silicon Hills, and Silicon Alleys elsewhere, but I don't think they'll overtake the Bay Area. However, I could see Texas, Arizona, Nevada, becoming the "Mars Plateau" in the future. Realistically, Musk needs a coastal port for logistics, ability to mine resources, and a state that would be complicit in dealing with angry laborers or neighbors who don't like Sonic Booms going off all the time. CA's just not going to let him run as roughshod as he wants, e.g. the worker safety and labor issues at his plants, the environmental impacts of what he's doing in Boca Chica, etc. That slows down his time schedule a lot, I don't blame him, he wants to get to Mars quick, but then again, if I were living near a Starship test area, I'd also be annoyed by all of the traffic, tourists, and explosions, so I don't object to him trying to get as far away from regulated residential areas as possible.

jeffbee 6y ago

Ree-hee-hee-ally? California is far and away the #1 destination of educated and wealthy domestic migrants, especially from "red states", by which I assume you mean states that habitually vote for Republicans. Pick any MAGA-infested den of ignorance that you prefer, and the story is the same. I choose Sioux Falls, SD, which has an overall negative net domestic migration that is extremely negative among people with some college, college degrees, and post-graduate educations but positive among people with high school diplomas and high-school dropouts. Bay Area domestic migration is the complement of this process: very positive among post-graduates and college grads, very negative among high school and less. Same basic story if you break it down by income levels. Why is this? There are large classes of people who can't stand to live in the MAGAsphere, and I mean huge classes of people like females, people of color, homosexuals, and non-christians. Whenever these people scrape together enough money to do so, they escape to a jurisdiction that recognizes their personhood, whether that be New York, California, or Austin.

selimthegrim 6y ago
New Orleans checks all your positive boxes and Louisiana still has the migration pattern you attribute to SD.
- hedora 6y ago
  New Orleans is rapidly sinking into the ocean because of climate change (hurricanes) and poor management of the delta.

triceratops 6y ago

> YEt, I am not aware of anyone leaving a red state to live under the woke shackles. University graduates and skilled workers?

saberience 6y ago

You're arguing about people leaving Democrat states in a post about people moving to Austin? Do you think Austin is a republican area? Austin is about as blue as it can get. No one is leaving Democratic states to go to some hell-hole Republican area. They are leaving Democrat cities to live in OTHER Democrat cities, the only difference between cost of living. That's it, simple as that. It has nothing to do with "wokeness" etc. It's basically, Austin cheap, San Fran expensive.

bgorman 6y ago
Sure Austin is a little blue bubble in Texas. However, most laws that impact employers are made at the state level, and Texas is a much friendlier climate and has less regulation. This does change the situation for residents of “blue” cities like Austin. Tons of people are moving to Arizona and Texas from the Midwest and California. Now these states are turning blue, but the policies that made them attractive to those people (less regulation, resulting in more housing built and more jobs) are definitely not “democrat” policies.

grillvogel 6y ago

NYC isn't a state