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Reason is well known right wing propaganda. No place for it on HN.

smabie 6y ago
Would a direct link to the paper be more to your liking? Also, as a side note, the amount of negative karma you have suggests that you probably don't understand what belongs on HN in the first place.
slumpt_ 6y ago
My friend, has HN ever been anything other than right-leaning? Realistically speaking.
- smabie 6y ago
  I've always thought it has been left leaning, but that could be a cognitive bias since I'm right leaning (capitalist, libertarian, corporatist, globalist, etc).
  - dang 6y ago
    A real life case of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004. I need a name for these!
    - slumpt_ 6y ago
      The Overton window is reasonably pegged to the right, within the US if not globally. The dense tech community here espouses a lot of ideas around meritocracy and capitalism that make it reasonably center/right-leaning. This is of course not to suggest right wing extremism is present here, but merely a general lean. A lot of folks mistake being “socially liberal” as sufficient to be “left-leaning” when in reality the fiscal part of the equation is inextricably linked as well. The big government and regulation one often sees as part of implementing an equitable society is not supported here. You know that as well as I do. This is a community with a lot of hackers and startup minded folks who see regulation / government involvement as an impediment rather than a platform to lift up the disenfranchised. Disruptors don’t like the forces that squash disruption. Fairly unremarkable.
      - perilunar 6y ago
        > A lot of folks mistake being “socially liberal” as sufficient to be “left-leaning” when in reality the fiscal part of the equation is inextricably linked as well. Yes. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative is textbook libertarian, which is not inherently right-wing, though many libertarians do lean that way.
      - dang 6y ago
        Just peek in on any Uber or Airbnb related thread and you'll be cured of the idea that regulation is not supported here.
        slumpt_ 6y ago
        Like a lot of right-leaning folks are inclined to do, affordances are made for “free markets” that adversely affect their property or net worth. There are certainly plenty of more progressive voices with broader concern sets about services like AirBnB. It was never being proposed that there are no progressive voices. They just represent a thinner, less upvoted slice. I will, however, concede that libertarian does not necessarily mean right-leaning, though they presently seem to hang together.
        dang 6y ago
        The people on the other side argue passionately that yours is the fatter slice.
        slumpt_ 6y ago
        I’m sure they do! The comments that bubble up (or get otherwise suppressed with votes) speak otherwise. But “centrists” in 2020 are far closer to right-leaning because of said Overton window. If you want to call center in 2020 a true center then sure, the site is drawing from the “whole range” equally. To the extent you acknowledge the impact of global cultural shifts and the deeper meaning of ‘left’ or ‘right’ then I would contend otherwise.
  - andromeduck 6y ago
    Yeah I'd say HN is more dem-left on average with some ansoc leanings. Might be fun to do a poll though.
    - slumpt_ 6y ago
      The modern democratic party is centrist at best. Things are a bit skewed in our ever-unequal society.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  Realistically speaking, the community here spans the range and seems to have significant representation from every part of the left-right spectrum. If it seems right-leaning to you that's probably because you're left of the theoretical median hn community member.
perilunar 6y ago
Reason is explicitly libertarian, not right wing. (Though if you are on the left they are still to your right).

Would a direct link to the paper be more to your liking? Also, as a side note, the amount of negative karma you have suggests that you probably don't understand what belongs on HN in the first place.

slumpt_ 6y ago

My friend, has HN ever been anything other than right-leaning? Realistically speaking.

smabie 6y ago
I've always thought it has been left leaning, but that could be a cognitive bias since I'm right leaning (capitalist, libertarian, corporatist, globalist, etc).
- dang 6y ago
  A real life case of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004. I need a name for these!
  - slumpt_ 6y ago
    The Overton window is reasonably pegged to the right, within the US if not globally. The dense tech community here espouses a lot of ideas around meritocracy and capitalism that make it reasonably center/right-leaning. This is of course not to suggest right wing extremism is present here, but merely a general lean. A lot of folks mistake being “socially liberal” as sufficient to be “left-leaning” when in reality the fiscal part of the equation is inextricably linked as well. The big government and regulation one often sees as part of implementing an equitable society is not supported here. You know that as well as I do. This is a community with a lot of hackers and startup minded folks who see regulation / government involvement as an impediment rather than a platform to lift up the disenfranchised. Disruptors don’t like the forces that squash disruption. Fairly unremarkable.
    - perilunar 6y ago
      > A lot of folks mistake being “socially liberal” as sufficient to be “left-leaning” when in reality the fiscal part of the equation is inextricably linked as well. Yes. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative is textbook libertarian, which is not inherently right-wing, though many libertarians do lean that way.
    - dang 6y ago
      Just peek in on any Uber or Airbnb related thread and you'll be cured of the idea that regulation is not supported here.
      - slumpt_ 6y ago
        Like a lot of right-leaning folks are inclined to do, affordances are made for “free markets” that adversely affect their property or net worth. There are certainly plenty of more progressive voices with broader concern sets about services like AirBnB. It was never being proposed that there are no progressive voices. They just represent a thinner, less upvoted slice. I will, however, concede that libertarian does not necessarily mean right-leaning, though they presently seem to hang together.
        dang 6y ago
        The people on the other side argue passionately that yours is the fatter slice.
        slumpt_ 6y ago
        I’m sure they do! The comments that bubble up (or get otherwise suppressed with votes) speak otherwise. But “centrists” in 2020 are far closer to right-leaning because of said Overton window. If you want to call center in 2020 a true center then sure, the site is drawing from the “whole range” equally. To the extent you acknowledge the impact of global cultural shifts and the deeper meaning of ‘left’ or ‘right’ then I would contend otherwise.
- andromeduck 6y ago
  Yeah I'd say HN is more dem-left on average with some ansoc leanings. Might be fun to do a poll though.
  - slumpt_ 6y ago
    The modern democratic party is centrist at best. Things are a bit skewed in our ever-unequal society.
chordalkeyboard 6y ago
Realistically speaking, the community here spans the range and seems to have significant representation from every part of the left-right spectrum. If it seems right-leaning to you that's probably because you're left of the theoretical median hn community member.

perilunar 6y ago

Reason is explicitly libertarian, not right wing. (Though if you are on the left they are still to your right).