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I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election. Many claimed Russian interfe

by evgen 6y ago

I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election. Many claimed Russian interference, many claimed that James Comey put his thumb on the scale, many claimed that the media provided Trump with a great deal of free media and that the mainstream media were easily whipped up with anti-Clinton stories, many claimed that the sitting administration erred in not publicizing known associations between high-level Trump campaign operatives and Russian agents. NO ONE claimed that the vote was illegitimate. NO ONE claimed that the ballot boxes had been stuffed. The 2016 vote was much closer than 2020 and still the party that lost accepted the result and even if they mumbled about 'not my President' there was no one claiming that the election was stolen. Please stop with the bullshit both-sides claims, it is pathetic.

umvi 6y ago
> even if they mumbled about 'not my President' more like shouted it at the top of their lungs for 4 years straight > I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election > there was no one claiming that the election was stolen. I mean, I lived the 2016 election I remember the response of my left leaning friends, and some of them absolutely believed the election was rigged. Some quick googling can dig up lots of articles from 2016: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-suggests-2016-election-was-stolen-from-her https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-sugg... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/12/16/the-2016-election-was-stolen-got-a-nicer-way-to-say-that/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/12/16/t... https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-releases/2016-presidential-election-was-rigged https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-releases/2016-presidentia...
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  None of those articles contain claims that votes were changed (election fraud) or that voters voted repeatedly or illegally (voter fraud). They do contain claims of voter suppression, which I'll note continue to be made by those on the left this year (and in 2018 and in pretty much every election, disenfranchisement is an ongoing concern on the left).
- evgen 6y ago
  Voter suppression (widely studied, widely documented, not even up for debate at this point) and a candidate complaining about several factors I already noted, but no claim of actual vote rigging or attacking the legitimacy of the vote. Weak sauce. No wonder no one has any respect for so-called conservatives. They are the most fragile of snowflakes and seem to need to live in their own little safe space.
simonsarris 6y ago
> provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election A 2018 YouGov poll said that 66% of democrats polled believe the claim that Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President. > https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

by evgen 6y ago

umvi 6y ago

> even if they mumbled about 'not my President' more like shouted it at the top of their lungs for 4 years straight > I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election > there was no one claiming that the election was stolen. I mean, I lived the 2016 election I remember the response of my left leaning friends, and some of them absolutely believed the election was rigged. Some quick googling can dig up lots of articles from 2016: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-suggests-2016-election-was-stolen-from-her https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-sugg... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/12/16/the-2016-election-was-stolen-got-a-nicer-way-to-say-that/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/12/16/t... https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-releases/2016-presidential-election-was-rigged https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-releases/2016-presidentia...

joshuamorton 6y ago
None of those articles contain claims that votes were changed (election fraud) or that voters voted repeatedly or illegally (voter fraud). They do contain claims of voter suppression, which I'll note continue to be made by those on the left this year (and in 2018 and in pretty much every election, disenfranchisement is an ongoing concern on the left).
evgen 6y ago
Voter suppression (widely studied, widely documented, not even up for debate at this point) and a candidate complaining about several factors I already noted, but no claim of actual vote rigging or attacking the legitimacy of the vote. Weak sauce. No wonder no one has any respect for so-called conservatives. They are the most fragile of snowflakes and seem to need to live in their own little safe space.

simonsarris 6y ago

> provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election A 2018 YouGov poll said that 66% of democrats polled believe the claim that Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President. > https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...