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> Forcing other to wear mask has its consequences too. As you've said before, people like you would be forced to wear something you think is uncomfortable. I'

by ardy42 6y ago

> Forcing other to wear mask has its consequences too. As you've said before, people like you would be forced to wear something you think is uncomfortable. I'd even be forced to play the world's smallest violin for you. The thing is, you have to weigh those consequences (ideally non selfishly), not just assert they exist. So, one the one hand, you have minor inconvenience and intolerable oppression of having to think of others for even a second. On the other hand, you have hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths and the economic toll of a poorly-managed pandemic. I don't know, seems like a tough call. /s

matz1 6y ago
You dismissed my concern as "minor inconvenience". I acknowledge that for you its minor but for me its major inconvenience. Its not clear that thousand of deaths will be avoided if everyone wear mask. I agree that it is poorly managed pandemic, that is the decision to do lockdown.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > You dismissed my concern as "minor inconvenience". I acknowledge that for you its minor but for me its major inconvenience. I did, because your concern is something that should be dismissed. The hypothetical drunk driver I mentioned earlier almost certainly has similar rationalizations for his irresponsible behavior, too. But no one is swayed by his insistence that not driving drunk would have caused "major inconvenience" to him. Refusing to wear a mask in this environment is like deciding to drive drunk. Don't be like a drunk driver, be a responsible person.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Likewise don't be suprised when other people can also simply dismissed your concern. No, the different is the risk of not wearing mask way way lower than drunk driving.
    - Shared404 6y ago
      About 1.5 times as many people died of Covid in the last seven days than people who died due to drunk driving in 2016. Drunk driving may be more dangerous to the individual, but not all wearing masks appears to be doing much more damage. For context, the number of covid related deaths over the past week are equivalent to 5.47 times the number of people killed in 9/11. These numbers don't include those who survive but suffer from lasting effects caused by covid. Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fmotorvehiclesafety%2Fimpaired_driving%2Fimpaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/im... https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast... Edit: Add Drunk ... 9/11. Edit 2: Change the paragraph about 9/11 to be more respectful. Edit 3: Add comment about lasting effects.
      - matz1 6y ago
        Covid related death is a highly inflated number, i mean it include people who die and happen to be tested positive for covid, not just die due to covid.
        Shared404 6y ago
        Okay. So, according to [0], about 6% of the covid related deaths have only covid as a cause. According to [1], there have been 291,522 covid related deaths since Jan 21 of this year, and according to [2], there were 2,977 fatalities in 9/11. All numbers are rounded to the nearest whole number. EDIT: Except for the 6% and final results, for obvious reasons. 291,522 * .06 = 17,491 deaths with no related comorbidity. This number happens to be still ~1.7 times the number of drunk driving related deaths in 2017. Finally... 17,491 / 2,977 = 6 times the number of people who were killed by 9/11 with no comorbidities. --- Now, lets do the math for this past week. 16,308 * .06 = 978.48 deaths with no comorbidities. 2,977 / 978 = 3 -- So last week was equivalent to one third of 9/11 for deaths with no comorbidities. As deaths are expected to climb, we can expect to have at least the equivalent of 9/11 every three weeks for a while. And none of this math includes those who were mostly fine, but happened to have a small condition that was lumped in, causing them to not be counted in the 6%. [0] https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19-death-count-inflated https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19... [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11...

by ardy42 6y ago

matz1 6y ago

You dismissed my concern as "minor inconvenience". I acknowledge that for you its minor but for me its major inconvenience. Its not clear that thousand of deaths will be avoided if everyone wear mask. I agree that it is poorly managed pandemic, that is the decision to do lockdown.

ardy42 6y ago
> You dismissed my concern as "minor inconvenience". I acknowledge that for you its minor but for me its major inconvenience. I did, because your concern is something that should be dismissed. The hypothetical drunk driver I mentioned earlier almost certainly has similar rationalizations for his irresponsible behavior, too. But no one is swayed by his insistence that not driving drunk would have caused "major inconvenience" to him. Refusing to wear a mask in this environment is like deciding to drive drunk. Don't be like a drunk driver, be a responsible person.
- matz1 6y ago
  Likewise don't be suprised when other people can also simply dismissed your concern. No, the different is the risk of not wearing mask way way lower than drunk driving.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    About 1.5 times as many people died of Covid in the last seven days than people who died due to drunk driving in 2016. Drunk driving may be more dangerous to the individual, but not all wearing masks appears to be doing much more damage. For context, the number of covid related deaths over the past week are equivalent to 5.47 times the number of people killed in 9/11. These numbers don't include those who survive but suffer from lasting effects caused by covid. Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fmotorvehiclesafety%2Fimpaired_driving%2Fimpaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/im... https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_deathsinlast... Edit: Add Drunk ... 9/11. Edit 2: Change the paragraph about 9/11 to be more respectful. Edit 3: Add comment about lasting effects.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Covid related death is a highly inflated number, i mean it include people who die and happen to be tested positive for covid, not just die due to covid.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        Okay. So, according to [0], about 6% of the covid related deaths have only covid as a cause. According to [1], there have been 291,522 covid related deaths since Jan 21 of this year, and according to [2], there were 2,977 fatalities in 9/11. All numbers are rounded to the nearest whole number. EDIT: Except for the 6% and final results, for obvious reasons. 291,522 * .06 = 17,491 deaths with no related comorbidity. This number happens to be still ~1.7 times the number of drunk driving related deaths in 2017. Finally... 17,491 / 2,977 = 6 times the number of people who were killed by 9/11 with no comorbidities. --- Now, lets do the math for this past week. 16,308 * .06 = 978.48 deaths with no comorbidities. 2,977 / 978 = 3 -- So last week was equivalent to one third of 9/11 for deaths with no comorbidities. As deaths are expected to climb, we can expect to have at least the equivalent of 9/11 every three weeks for a while. And none of this math includes those who were mostly fine, but happened to have a small condition that was lumped in, causing them to not be counted in the 6%. [0] https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19-death-count-inflated https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/514915-is-us-covid-19... [1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_totaldeaths [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11...