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Levelized cost of energy in your link excludes the cost of storage. For the third time, nobody is arguing that raw renewable generation isn't cheap. The issue i
by manfredo 6y ago
Levelized cost of energy in your link excludes the cost of storage. For the third time, nobody is arguing that raw renewable generation isn't cheap. The issue is that translating raw renewable generation into usable, dispatchable power is very, very expensive.
Yes, we absolutely can build nuclear in much much shorter time than renewables plus storage. I don't think you fully comprehend the staggering mismatch between the scale of storage required and storage produced.
We cited the same source on battery production. Take a closer look at the graph: https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/bloombergbatteries2030.jpg https://www.nextbigfuture.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/blo... The small magenta segment that says "stationary storage" is the portion of battery production actually going to renewable storage. Even by 2030, it's still being added at a rate of less than 200 GWh per year. The world uses 2,400 GWh of electricity per hour. That's more than the entire height of this graph. It'll take well beyond 2035 to even provide just one hour of grid storage with batteries.
By comparison, France increased it's share of nuclear generation from under 15% to over 80% in 15 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#Messmer_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#Messme...
- jasonwatkinspdx 6y agoLazard has levelized cost of storage analysis too: https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-and-levelized-cost-of-storage-2020/ https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-...
- manfredo 6y agoAnd the levelized cost of PV + storage as per that link is $250 to $600 per MWh. By comparison the cost of nuclear in that study is $130 to $200 per MWh. Thank your for providing this source explaining how the cost of storage renewables at a higher net cost than nuclear.
- brohee 6y agoThe learning curves of both renewables and storage are such than the advantage won't last long...
- natmaka 6y agoFrance may not be the best case. France in the end of the 60's nuclearized its gridpower production. This 'success story' led to a state law (2015-992, from 2015, the "loi relative à la transition énergétique pour la croissance verte", see https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/id/JORFTEXT000031044385/2020-12-12/ https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/loda/id/JORFTEXT000031044385/... ) stating that the part of nuke-produced electricity must fall to less than 50% in 2025, from 72% then, and that renewables must replace it. In France nuke-power is backed by gas (which produced 10,3% of gridpower in 2017). The sole reactor currently planned (Flamanville-3) is a complete disaster, more than 10 years behind schedule and 4x overbudget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Unit_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamanville_Nuclear_Power_Plan...