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I'm inferring that you, like me, are a longtime emacs user with some inertia. I used to not use daemon/emacsclient until it got annoying to have multiple emacs

I'm inferring that you, like me, are a longtime emacs user with some inertia. I used to not use daemon/emacsclient until it got annoying to have multiple emacs windows popping up, then I switched. Nothing to be impressed about it; even lazy ones like me eventually get there. I'm also surprised about the vi keybindings, but not at all distressed. If there are a lot of people out there who are accustomed to vi keybindings but found reasons to want to use emacs, that's a good thing. I don't use org-mode daily, but I do edit my todo list daily. If it ever gets deeply nested I'll switch it over to org mode. And I suspect that's what all the people using org-mode daily are doing -- todo/idea lists. I should start reading /r/emacs every few years to catch up on new things.

cannam 6y ago
Exactly - with inertia, or maybe oblivious. I think it's just a little discombobulating to read about a program I spend so much time using myself being used in ways quite far away from what I know about. That's a good thing I'm sure; it makes sense that a super-configurable extensible application should be super-configured and extended. But it's a little odd to imagine, perhaps, saying "oh this is Emacs? great" and then finding that you don't actually know how to work it.
jrockway 6y ago
I've used Emacs for over 20 years and I have been meaning to switch to vi keybindings for a while (but haven't yet :). I just find myself executing long commands with only 4 of my fingers engaged, because one of them is holding a modifier key, and it's somewhat uncomfortable. Not injury-causing uncomfortable, but enough to make me think "hey, I think the other team got this right." I would not mind switching between command and insert modes; I can keep the state in my head instead of in my finger. The barrier to switching, for me, is that the vi-like modes are set up by default to have vi-like keybindings, and I just don't care to go in and change them all to Emacs-alike keys, and I worry how flexible other software with "vi mode" will be about that. I am past the point where I'm going to use hjkl to move the cursor around, I use npfb. I can easily change the details in Emacs/Viper, but then how am I going to use anything else, like the shell? That is my main worry.
- blinkeer 6y ago
  I'm a light weight emacs user (mostly for org mode). I'm forever grateful to the dev I worked with who introduced and encouraged me to learn the vi bindings. I'm probably missing something in your message, but there is support in the shell for vi bindings (https://opensource.com/article/17/3/fun-vi-mode-your-shell https://opensource.com/article/17/3/fun-vi-mode-your-shell)
- omaranto 6y ago
  It sounds like you would like god-mode: https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode

cannam 6y ago

Exactly - with inertia, or maybe oblivious. I think it's just a little discombobulating to read about a program I spend so much time using myself being used in ways quite far away from what I know about. That's a good thing I'm sure; it makes sense that a super-configurable extensible application should be super-configured and extended. But it's a little odd to imagine, perhaps, saying "oh this is Emacs? great" and then finding that you don't actually know how to work it.

jrockway 6y ago

I've used Emacs for over 20 years and I have been meaning to switch to vi keybindings for a while (but haven't yet :). I just find myself executing long commands with only 4 of my fingers engaged, because one of them is holding a modifier key, and it's somewhat uncomfortable. Not injury-causing uncomfortable, but enough to make me think "hey, I think the other team got this right." I would not mind switching between command and insert modes; I can keep the state in my head instead of in my finger. The barrier to switching, for me, is that the vi-like modes are set up by default to have vi-like keybindings, and I just don't care to go in and change them all to Emacs-alike keys, and I worry how flexible other software with "vi mode" will be about that. I am past the point where I'm going to use hjkl to move the cursor around, I use npfb. I can easily change the details in Emacs/Viper, but then how am I going to use anything else, like the shell? That is my main worry.

blinkeer 6y ago
I'm a light weight emacs user (mostly for org mode). I'm forever grateful to the dev I worked with who introduced and encouraged me to learn the vi bindings. I'm probably missing something in your message, but there is support in the shell for vi bindings (https://opensource.com/article/17/3/fun-vi-mode-your-shell https://opensource.com/article/17/3/fun-vi-mode-your-shell)
omaranto 6y ago
It sounds like you would like god-mode: https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode https://github.com/emacsorphanage/god-mode