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None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), admittedly. Everyone universally thinks this is bad. That being said,

None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), admittedly. Everyone universally thinks this is bad. That being said, the right appears to be concerned about all their constitutional rights taken away. To me, that seems far more of a direct and far larger attack on millions of people than these random domestic terrorists.

FireBeyond 6y ago
What on earth is a congressman if not "the government", if you're going to point to Bernie Sanders and AOC? > [Matt Shea], A Republican, he represents the 4th Legislative District in the Washington House of Representatives.
Jotra7 6y ago
No one is falling for your bad faith concern trolling after this statement. He specifically mentioned an elected politician that your response blithely ignored.
afuchs 6y ago
>> ... You have Matt Shea, an elected Republican: ... > None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), admittedly. Everyone universally thinks this is bad. ... Is someone who is part of a state legislature not part of some level of government?
Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
These random domestic terrorists are a part of a disparate and loosely affiliated network of religious extremists ranging from white power prison gangs to the federalist society whom control the supreme court of the United states of America. Underestimating the threat of radicalized religions is a mistake.
FireBeyond 6y ago
> That being said, the right appears to be concerned about all their constitutional rights taken away. To me, that seems far more of a direct and far larger attack on millions of people than these random domestic terrorists. You can be concerned about something without it being a legitimate threat. The right was concerned about Obama "coming for the guns", and before that, with Clinton "coming for your guns". Yet Obama got an "F" rating for his efforts in "controlling guns" from the gun control/reform lobby. Theorizing that Operation Jade Helm was an effort to repeal the Second Amendment by force doesn't make it so, and elements of the right can be concerned by it all they like, it just doesn't make it something the left is responsible for.
- CompanionCuuube 6y ago
  You picked a terrible example, as he did restrict guns on a number of occasions during the terms. The fact that the gun control lobby gave him an "F" rating is because the fact that they want too much and are never happy with just a little.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), “Radical citizens (domestic terrorists)” and “the government” are overlapping groups. For instance, most people would agree that armed public law enforcement agencies are very much “the government”, but: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-suprem...

FireBeyond 6y ago

What on earth is a congressman if not "the government", if you're going to point to Bernie Sanders and AOC? > [Matt Shea], A Republican, he represents the 4th Legislative District in the Washington House of Representatives.

Jotra7 6y ago

No one is falling for your bad faith concern trolling after this statement. He specifically mentioned an elected politician that your response blithely ignored.

afuchs 6y ago

>> ... You have Matt Shea, an elected Republican: ... > None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), admittedly. Everyone universally thinks this is bad. ... Is someone who is part of a state legislature not part of some level of government?

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago

These random domestic terrorists are a part of a disparate and loosely affiliated network of religious extremists ranging from white power prison gangs to the federalist society whom control the supreme court of the United states of America. Underestimating the threat of radicalized religions is a mistake.

FireBeyond 6y ago

> That being said, the right appears to be concerned about all their constitutional rights taken away. To me, that seems far more of a direct and far larger attack on millions of people than these random domestic terrorists. You can be concerned about something without it being a legitimate threat. The right was concerned about Obama "coming for the guns", and before that, with Clinton "coming for your guns". Yet Obama got an "F" rating for his efforts in "controlling guns" from the gun control/reform lobby. Theorizing that Operation Jade Helm was an effort to repeal the Second Amendment by force doesn't make it so, and elements of the right can be concerned by it all they like, it just doesn't make it something the left is responsible for.

CompanionCuuube 6y ago
You picked a terrible example, as he did restrict guns on a number of occasions during the terms. The fact that the gun control lobby gave him an "F" rating is because the fact that they want too much and are never happy with just a little.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> None of those are the government, sure there are radical citizens (domestic terrorists), “Radical citizens (domestic terrorists)” and “the government” are overlapping groups. For instance, most people would agree that armed public law enforcement agencies are very much “the government”, but: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-suprem...