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I think this a poor way of looking at death tolls when context such as cause of death and the people dying matter too. In other words I don't think it is approp

I think this a poor way of looking at death tolls when context such as cause of death and the people dying matter too. In other words I don't think it is appropriate to bring up 9/11 and whether its for clicks or to gain points for their political side (because covid has been heavily politicised), it has only caused more people to take it less seriously.

gmadsen 6y ago
Why? the science is clear on masks. That shouldn't need discussion. Hospitals are at or near capacity in many places. Do your civic duty for the country and wear a mask. Shutdowns and other things, sure discuss and debate
- hfkldjsjfkdj 6y ago
  I'm all for masks btw, just not a fan of the journalism around covid is all.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  a "9/11" is not some standard unit of death that can be compared to any other death toll to compute a value for "how much should we care?". comparing covid deaths to having 9/11s every day ignores almost all the context for why we care so much about 9/11 in the first place. without context, 3000 deaths is just not that much for a country of ~300 million. it's a lot to have in a single day, but it's only about half of what we expect under normal circumstances. it is a really large number of people to lose in a day to a single disease, but it's not comparable to the deliberate killing of 3000 civilians in a novel terror attack. this kind of comparison serves only to provoke an emotional response; it doesn't contribute to a reasonable conversation about mitigations and tradeoffs. at best, it might serve as a critique of the US reaction to 9/11 itself.
  - roelschroeven 6y ago
    I feel it's exactly the other way around. People are dead just as much irrespective whether they died on 9/11 or because of Covid or because of, let's say, a traffic accident. Family and friends will miss them just as much. To me giving a different weight to different causes of death is what seems the more emotional response. If your feelings are influenced by that context for why we care, that is emotional. There's nothing inherent in the distinction between those circumstances that should influence how much we care.

gmadsen 6y ago

Why? the science is clear on masks. That shouldn't need discussion. Hospitals are at or near capacity in many places. Do your civic duty for the country and wear a mask. Shutdowns and other things, sure discuss and debate

hfkldjsjfkdj 6y ago
I'm all for masks btw, just not a fan of the journalism around covid is all.
leetcrew 6y ago
a "9/11" is not some standard unit of death that can be compared to any other death toll to compute a value for "how much should we care?". comparing covid deaths to having 9/11s every day ignores almost all the context for why we care so much about 9/11 in the first place. without context, 3000 deaths is just not that much for a country of ~300 million. it's a lot to have in a single day, but it's only about half of what we expect under normal circumstances. it is a really large number of people to lose in a day to a single disease, but it's not comparable to the deliberate killing of 3000 civilians in a novel terror attack. this kind of comparison serves only to provoke an emotional response; it doesn't contribute to a reasonable conversation about mitigations and tradeoffs. at best, it might serve as a critique of the US reaction to 9/11 itself.
- roelschroeven 6y ago
  I feel it's exactly the other way around. People are dead just as much irrespective whether they died on 9/11 or because of Covid or because of, let's say, a traffic accident. Family and friends will miss them just as much. To me giving a different weight to different causes of death is what seems the more emotional response. If your feelings are influenced by that context for why we care, that is emotional. There's nothing inherent in the distinction between those circumstances that should influence how much we care.