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This is misinformation pulling on the heartstrings of the non-logical. Most people who caught covid would have died if they caught the normal flu...like every o

by jb775 6y ago

This is misinformation pulling on the heartstrings of the non-logical. Most people who caught covid would have died if they caught the normal flu...like every other year. Also, wasn't it convenient of them to leave "covid" out of the headline. Expected deaths this year without a pandemic were already expected to be much higher.[1] FYI if you downvote without refuting my statements, you are that non-logical person. [1] - https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/deat...

bryanlarsen 6y ago
downvoted for whining about downvoting.
- jb775 6y ago
  HN is a liberal echo chamber when it comes to politics. I added that because any non-left comment gets immediately bombarded with downvotes without discussion (the typical leftist approach to political issues when challenged).
  - jlmorton 6y ago
    I don't think you're being voted for a non-left opinion, and Hacker News certainly allows for non-left opinions more than most other forums. You're being downvoted for a nonsensical opinion.
  - jschwartzi 6y ago
    I think it's very rational to see people being harmed and to want to do something about that. It's how many of the best policies in America have been formed. What's irrational is making it about politics, like it's somehow a leftist thing to empathize with the plight of others. Rationality isn't about suppressing your emotions and your connection to other people. It's about integrating those emotions with your values, knowledge, and capabilities and deciding how to act based on that synthesis. The fact is that we Americans are at our best when we're looking out for each other. And many of us are very concerned about COVID.
  - mindslight 6y ago
    That feeling of begin persecuted is due to choosing denial as your political stance.
  - anoonmoose 6y ago
    i'm a leftist and i responded to your comments with specific numbers as a rebuttal. you've chosen to ignore those numbers and complain about liberal bias.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
    When I make short, pithy "leftist" points on HN without much explication or support, I'm routinely downvoted. So ... yeah.
anoonmoose 6y ago
That link says deaths this year without a pandemic were expected to be 1.12% higher, if I'm reading it correctly. according to the CDC, the US had 16.5% more deaths through the first ten months of 2020 than it had in the first ten months of 2019 edit: i downvoted AND refuted, fyi
tzs 6y ago
> This is misinformation pulling on the heartstrings of the non-logical. Most people who caught covid would have died if they caught the normal flu...like every other year. Even if that were true, I fail to see how it is relevant. We demonstrably have massively more people dying from COVID than die from normal flues, so either COVID is more fatal than normal flu, or we have a massive amount of people catching COVID who would not have caught normal flu.
FabHK 6y ago
Ok, look at this chart, and with your super logical mind (not influenced by misinformation and emotional heartstrings like the Director of the CDC) tell me whether the red 2020 line is "like every other year"? https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid#excess-mortality-using-raw-death-counts https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid#excess-mor...
- tzs 6y ago
  He actually addressed that 6 days ago [1] when someone posted a link to that page. His answer is that it is BS because they do not take into population growth since the years they are comparing to. His argument was not very convincing, because (1) the chart is only going back 5 years, which is not long enough for population growth to have affected anything, and (2) population growth effects would change the height of the curve but not the shape of the curve, whereas the actual curve shows large shape changes. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25312460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25312460

by jb775 6y ago

bryanlarsen 6y ago

downvoted for whining about downvoting.

jb775 6y ago
HN is a liberal echo chamber when it comes to politics. I added that because any non-left comment gets immediately bombarded with downvotes without discussion (the typical leftist approach to political issues when challenged).
- jlmorton 6y ago
  I don't think you're being voted for a non-left opinion, and Hacker News certainly allows for non-left opinions more than most other forums. You're being downvoted for a nonsensical opinion.
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  I think it's very rational to see people being harmed and to want to do something about that. It's how many of the best policies in America have been formed. What's irrational is making it about politics, like it's somehow a leftist thing to empathize with the plight of others. Rationality isn't about suppressing your emotions and your connection to other people. It's about integrating those emotions with your values, knowledge, and capabilities and deciding how to act based on that synthesis. The fact is that we Americans are at our best when we're looking out for each other. And many of us are very concerned about COVID.
- mindslight 6y ago
  That feeling of begin persecuted is due to choosing denial as your political stance.
- anoonmoose 6y ago
  i'm a leftist and i responded to your comments with specific numbers as a rebuttal. you've chosen to ignore those numbers and complain about liberal bias.
- PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
  When I make short, pithy "leftist" points on HN without much explication or support, I'm routinely downvoted. So ... yeah.

anoonmoose 6y ago

That link says deaths this year without a pandemic were expected to be 1.12% higher, if I'm reading it correctly. according to the CDC, the US had 16.5% more deaths through the first ten months of 2020 than it had in the first ten months of 2019 edit: i downvoted AND refuted, fyi

tzs 6y ago

> This is misinformation pulling on the heartstrings of the non-logical. Most people who caught covid would have died if they caught the normal flu...like every other year. Even if that were true, I fail to see how it is relevant. We demonstrably have massively more people dying from COVID than die from normal flues, so either COVID is more fatal than normal flu, or we have a massive amount of people catching COVID who would not have caught normal flu.

FabHK 6y ago

Ok, look at this chart, and with your super logical mind (not influenced by misinformation and emotional heartstrings like the Director of the CDC) tell me whether the red 2020 line is "like every other year"? https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid#excess-mortality-using-raw-death-counts https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid#excess-mor...

tzs 6y ago
He actually addressed that 6 days ago [1] when someone posted a link to that page. His answer is that it is BS because they do not take into population growth since the years they are comparing to. His argument was not very convincing, because (1) the chart is only going back 5 years, which is not long enough for population growth to have affected anything, and (2) population growth effects would change the height of the curve but not the shape of the curve, whereas the actual curve shows large shape changes. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25312460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25312460