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Maybe this is a good time to stop the multiple wars that were falsely claimed to be justified by "9/11"? Dare one hope?

by jessaustin 6y ago

NationalPark 6y ago
You're looking at this all wrong - we could be justifying a brand new war every single day with these numbers!
- TuringNYC 6y ago
  I dont think this is a joking matter. The toll of wars are far greater than the initial provoking incident. There are death tolls for your home troops, innocent civilians, and long-term tolls of disabilities and psychological damage.
  - zenexer 6y ago
    I’m fairly certain the parent commenter was being facetious. It’s really hard to comprehend why powerful people are willing to impose such devastation on humankind; the parent is mocking their thought process, with a touch of rather dark humor.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    I appreciate your feelings on this, but I somewhat agree with parent that humor is a good idea. The majority of Americans, and nearly all the "journalism" to which they are subjected, still believe that they should fear brown people overseas enough to preemptively murder them. That is counter to logic and reality, but logic is not the way to make this argument. Few people (well, few Americans anyway) are capable of controlling their fears through logic. Lots of people don't like to be the butt of jokes, though. If the rest of us are always laughing at them, their insecurity might open their eyes to the emptiness of their fear. The "journalism", however, won't change until it's no longer cost-effective. We have to change ourselves first.
- paxys 6y ago
  If Covid had originated in a less powerful country than China I'm almost certain we would have invaded them already. You can see it by the amount of "Chinese virus"/"it was made in a lab" rhetoric from the top to try and deflect from our shitty handling of it.
  - 2-tpg 6y ago
    Deflection may have been positive side-effect. Officially it is: > U.S. President Donald Trump Monday said his "Chinese virus" statement for weeks was a counter-propaganda strategy to fight Chinese allegations that American soldiers brought coronavirus to Wuhan. Given how China and Russia stepped up their muscle flexing in the past year, how China is against an international investigation into the origins, I am expecting more than not, that 2021 will reveal it was indeed a lab leak. If natural, China still has to answer why it sat on corona for at least 3 months before notifying international health agencies. All this research should see atomic-bomb grade inspections anyway, those are long overdue. I don't want Iran experimenting with SARS-3 without oversight, invading afterwards will be too late. This article from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists is both critical of Trump, yet carefully supports the "leaked from a lab" theory: https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-arise-from-a-bat-coronavirus-research-program-in-a-chinese-laboratory-very-possibly/ https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-ari... worth a read.
- mywittyname 6y ago
  Great sarcasm predicts the future. While you were joking, this is honestly what I think is happening. Our country has already started a number of "wars" on groups and this is only going to get worse now that a significant portion of the population feels that our soon-to-be leaders are illegitimate.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    This is why Trump will stay on the news. He's too sui generis to be the creation of TPTB, but they would never let an iron grip on the brain stems of the more suggestible 70% of the population go to waste. At the same time a third of us expect nothing from their votes for Biden because It Could Be Worse, another third will be sure that Trump's Triumphant Return awaits only a few thousand dead Bolivians or gays or whatever. If he faded from view, so would the heat he generates.
pjc50 6y ago
Bit late to put Saddam and Gaddafi back, and you might have some trouble dislodging the Russian and Turkish forces from their positions. But that's why war is a genie you can't put back in the bottle.
- fuoqi 6y ago
  And why exactly do you have to dislodge Russian and Turkish forces from their positions which are 10 000 km from the US borders and in Russian and Turkish neighborhood? Just to "secure the oil" [0]? Because stabilization, development, and prosperity of the affected countries is certainly not on the US agenda list if are to judge by the numerous outcomes. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y
hombre_fatal 6y ago
Maybe, but that's a separate issue. Deaths from a natural disaster are fundamentally different than deaths caused by a murderer. Trying to evaluate policy by comparing the two is nonsensical. Like suggesting that it's a waste of time to spend resources to find a murderer when they only killed one person vs the thousands that die to flu.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  Murderers are sometimes caught. Our multiple decades of wanton murder overseas have only enriched armaments manufacturers and their puppets in politics and journalism. That's not a good enough reason.
spamizbad 6y ago
9/11 killed mostly high status people. COVID mostly kills low status people. So there won't be any wars this time.
cracksmoka420 6y ago
There are a number of strategic reasons to be involved in the middle east and none of them are stupid. Would you be happier if ISIS was running amok?
- vkou 6y ago
  ISIS was created by our involvement in the Middle East. It was the direct result of destabilizing Iraq and Syria.
  - jackschultz 6y ago
    It's crazy there are still people here who don't realize that ISIS was created because of US involvement. Great book with link below on the topic of America's actions in the middle east that talks about everything starting from Carter in the late 70s to time of publishing in 2016. Highly suggest reading. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241154/americas-war-for-the-greater-middle-east-by-andrew-j-bacevich/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241154/americas-war...
  - cracksmoka420 6y ago
    Syria is such a complicated political situation that I don't think you can reasonably chalk it up to "America did Syria."
    - fuoqi 6y ago
      But it certainly intentionally fanned the flames and added a lot of oil after that.
    - vkou 6y ago
      Syria had a civil war before significant US involvement, but between being bordered by a completely destabilized Iraq, and the US campaign against Assad means that US involvement made the situation so much worse.
    - barbacoa 6y ago
      Under the Obama administration the CIA was funneling billions of dollars worth of military equipment -- ranging from small arms and ammo, to vehicles and even anti-tank missiles -- into the hands of Syrian militant groups[1][2]. These groups specifically include ISIS. It's hard to think that the Syrian civil war would have been so bloody or lasted as long as it did without USA involvement. [1] https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mystery-of-isis-toyota-army-solved/5480921 https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mystery-of-isis-toyota-arm... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/isis-weapons-cia-missile-anti-tank-2017-12 https://www.businessinsider.com.au/isis-weapons-cia-missile-...
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Maybe this is a good time to stop the multiple wars that were falsely claimed to be justified by "9/11"? Dare one hope?

NationalPark 6y ago

You're looking at this all wrong - we could be justifying a brand new war every single day with these numbers!

TuringNYC 6y ago
I dont think this is a joking matter. The toll of wars are far greater than the initial provoking incident. There are death tolls for your home troops, innocent civilians, and long-term tolls of disabilities and psychological damage.
- zenexer 6y ago
  I’m fairly certain the parent commenter was being facetious. It’s really hard to comprehend why powerful people are willing to impose such devastation on humankind; the parent is mocking their thought process, with a touch of rather dark humor.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  I appreciate your feelings on this, but I somewhat agree with parent that humor is a good idea. The majority of Americans, and nearly all the "journalism" to which they are subjected, still believe that they should fear brown people overseas enough to preemptively murder them. That is counter to logic and reality, but logic is not the way to make this argument. Few people (well, few Americans anyway) are capable of controlling their fears through logic. Lots of people don't like to be the butt of jokes, though. If the rest of us are always laughing at them, their insecurity might open their eyes to the emptiness of their fear. The "journalism", however, won't change until it's no longer cost-effective. We have to change ourselves first.
paxys 6y ago
If Covid had originated in a less powerful country than China I'm almost certain we would have invaded them already. You can see it by the amount of "Chinese virus"/"it was made in a lab" rhetoric from the top to try and deflect from our shitty handling of it.
- 2-tpg 6y ago
  Deflection may have been positive side-effect. Officially it is: > U.S. President Donald Trump Monday said his "Chinese virus" statement for weeks was a counter-propaganda strategy to fight Chinese allegations that American soldiers brought coronavirus to Wuhan. Given how China and Russia stepped up their muscle flexing in the past year, how China is against an international investigation into the origins, I am expecting more than not, that 2021 will reveal it was indeed a lab leak. If natural, China still has to answer why it sat on corona for at least 3 months before notifying international health agencies. All this research should see atomic-bomb grade inspections anyway, those are long overdue. I don't want Iran experimenting with SARS-3 without oversight, invading afterwards will be too late. This article from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists is both critical of Trump, yet carefully supports the "leaked from a lab" theory: https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-arise-from-a-bat-coronavirus-research-program-in-a-chinese-laboratory-very-possibly/ https://thebulletin.org/2020/06/did-the-sars-cov-2-virus-ari... worth a read.
mywittyname 6y ago
Great sarcasm predicts the future. While you were joking, this is honestly what I think is happening. Our country has already started a number of "wars" on groups and this is only going to get worse now that a significant portion of the population feels that our soon-to-be leaders are illegitimate.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  This is why Trump will stay on the news. He's too sui generis to be the creation of TPTB, but they would never let an iron grip on the brain stems of the more suggestible 70% of the population go to waste. At the same time a third of us expect nothing from their votes for Biden because It Could Be Worse, another third will be sure that Trump's Triumphant Return awaits only a few thousand dead Bolivians or gays or whatever. If he faded from view, so would the heat he generates.

pjc50 6y ago

Bit late to put Saddam and Gaddafi back, and you might have some trouble dislodging the Russian and Turkish forces from their positions. But that's why war is a genie you can't put back in the bottle.

fuoqi 6y ago
And why exactly do you have to dislodge Russian and Turkish forces from their positions which are 10 000 km from the US borders and in Russian and Turkish neighborhood? Just to "secure the oil" [0]? Because stabilization, development, and prosperity of the affected countries is certainly not on the US agenda list if are to judge by the numerous outcomes. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y

hombre_fatal 6y ago

Maybe, but that's a separate issue. Deaths from a natural disaster are fundamentally different than deaths caused by a murderer. Trying to evaluate policy by comparing the two is nonsensical. Like suggesting that it's a waste of time to spend resources to find a murderer when they only killed one person vs the thousands that die to flu.

jessaustin 6y ago
Murderers are sometimes caught. Our multiple decades of wanton murder overseas have only enriched armaments manufacturers and their puppets in politics and journalism. That's not a good enough reason.

spamizbad 6y ago

9/11 killed mostly high status people. COVID mostly kills low status people. So there won't be any wars this time.

cracksmoka420 6y ago

There are a number of strategic reasons to be involved in the middle east and none of them are stupid. Would you be happier if ISIS was running amok?

vkou 6y ago
ISIS was created by our involvement in the Middle East. It was the direct result of destabilizing Iraq and Syria.
- jackschultz 6y ago
  It's crazy there are still people here who don't realize that ISIS was created because of US involvement. Great book with link below on the topic of America's actions in the middle east that talks about everything starting from Carter in the late 70s to time of publishing in 2016. Highly suggest reading. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241154/americas-war-for-the-greater-middle-east-by-andrew-j-bacevich/ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241154/americas-war...
- cracksmoka420 6y ago
  Syria is such a complicated political situation that I don't think you can reasonably chalk it up to "America did Syria."
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    But it certainly intentionally fanned the flames and added a lot of oil after that.
  - vkou 6y ago
    Syria had a civil war before significant US involvement, but between being bordered by a completely destabilized Iraq, and the US campaign against Assad means that US involvement made the situation so much worse.
  - barbacoa 6y ago
    Under the Obama administration the CIA was funneling billions of dollars worth of military equipment -- ranging from small arms and ammo, to vehicles and even anti-tank missiles -- into the hands of Syrian militant groups[1][2]. These groups specifically include ISIS. It's hard to think that the Syrian civil war would have been so bloody or lasted as long as it did without USA involvement. [1] https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mystery-of-isis-toyota-army-solved/5480921 https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mystery-of-isis-toyota-arm... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/isis-weapons-cia-missile-anti-tank-2017-12 https://www.businessinsider.com.au/isis-weapons-cia-missile-...

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